A 'migrant' with 'mental health issues'

If he hadn't been a danger to himself or others there would be no need to apply the mental health act

Trying to blame the government processes for this persons behavior is not realistic
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Net migration is at an all time high. It's a deliberate polic., The Tories have got nothing left, they're the most corrupt Govt ever, they know they're getting a hammering in the polls and will lose by a landslide if things stay as they are. Immigration is an easy distraction. Leave them in hotels at great cost, shout about stopping the boats. They could easily open up safe routes to stop the boats. Incerase stafffing to process the claims to speed up the process, then no need for hotels. But no, they won't do that, it's a welcome distraction.
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Just as a matter of interest, how many more are you happy to accomodate? Population density higher than that of France any day now according to official statistics. Open up safe routes to stop the boats - like all the safe routes that already exist you mean? Like the route you or I would need to take to apply to live elsewhere?
 
Brexit was always going to significantly increase immigration from non-EU countries. Overall levels of immigration were never going to come down.
 
I'm not sure I follow you logic, are you saying the UK has become more attractive to illegal immigration since it left the EU?
 
What? said:
I'm not sure I follow you logic, are you saying the UK has become more attractive to illegal immigration since it left the EU?
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I was actually referring to legal migration. But in answer to your point, I think it's widely known that Brexit has also made it more difficult to deal effectively with illegal immigration because we no longer have the same arrangements in place with the EU for policing it.

Overall net migration into the UK (legal and illegal) has almost doubled from pre-Brexit levels.
 
I thought the problem with migration from the EU was we had no control over it, so if another country (with in the EU) gave someone citizenship we had no right to refuse their entry.
 
What? said:
I thought the problem with migration from the EU was we had no control over it, so if another country (with in the EU) gave someone citizenship we had no right to refuse their entry.
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That is true. But the vast majority of immigrants coming to the UK when we were in the EU were born in EU countries, not recent arrivals to those countries. Under the post-Brexit rules, it's much harder for people from the EU to immigrate to the UK but much easier for non-EU people to come here. So yes, on one level we're more in 'control' of immigration because there is no free movement between ourselves and the EU, but in practice this has resulted in a surge in immigration from other parts of the world - including many people with greater language barriers who might struggle to adapt here more than a European citizen would have done.
 
So just so I understand the majority of people coming here and non EU citizens but they are travelling through the EU to get here.

I know this may be a simplistic view but isn't it incumbent on the EU to stop people entering the EU illegally rather than allowing them to travel through it to get to a non EU country
 
I think I didn't explain clearly. When we were in the EU, the large majority of legal immigrants from the EU were born and bred French, German, Poles, Czechs, etc - they weren't people from non-EU countries who were then granted EU citizenship (which you alluded to above). Now we're out of the EU, the number of EU nationals legally coming to the UK has fallen significantly but the number of legal immigrants from non-EU countries has surged. Although all legal immigrants have to be given permission, we've signifcantly lowered the skills/qualifications criteria required, which has meant that more low-skilled people from non-EU countries are now coming into the UK.

If you're still referring to illiegal immigration, then yes of course those boats come from Europe. But apparently one of the reasons illegal immigration has risen is because the arrangements we had in place to deal with it ended with Brexit.
 
Just talking about immigrants who have chosen improper routes to gain entry into the UK I and many others would be more sympathetic if when they arrived they actually contributed to the communities which house them. Rather than congregating in groups harassing locals, or causing trouble demanding better conditions or better food etc maybe they should put their skills to good use in working groups to show the local communities that they want to bring something to the country they want to call home. I’m sure if they were that desperate to leave their homeland they would show their gratitude.
The dog whistling would stop as people would be supporting the migrants rather than be frightened and anger at them.
 
Richardvanles said:
Rather than congregating in groups harassing locals, or causing trouble demanding better conditions
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Very small minority.

Richardvanles said:
they should put their skills to good use in working
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They're not allowed to work.

Richardvanles said:
The dog whistling would stop as people would be supporting the migrants rather than be frightened and anger at them
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Really? A bit naive to think they won't still be used as a distraction a d some people hating them no matter what they do.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Very small minority.


They're not allowed to work.


Really? A bit naive to think they won't still be used as a distraction a d some people hating them no matter what they do.
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I’m pretty sure they could help with gardening, litter picking or something to pass the time and actually make a bit of an effort with the locals. Build bridges with them etc. They don’t have to get paid. I don’t think it’s naive to suggest communities will change their outlook when they are having positive interactions and understand first hand the reasons why they have come here. Maybe I am naive but I have faith in the working class communities of this land.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
You may be right but nothing they do will pacify the knuckle daggers. If the Tories sorted out the processing it would be a moot point.
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So I take it people such as yourself who would be quite happy to see the entire place concreted and built on to accomodate the endless arrivals (through your new safe routes) are 'enlightened' rather than knuckle 'daggers'?? Why is it that you think the UK should accomodate people simply because they want to come? There are several country's I would have considered emigrating to when I was younger but I didn't meet the criteria. End of. Why do we have to be different to all other Nations?
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
You may be right but nothing they do will pacify the knuckle daggers. If the Tories sorted out the processing it would be a moot point.
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Knuckle draggers?
I’m talking about members of the communities who have genuine fears for their safety and their children’s safety. But that’s what happens. Folk are shipped in to hold up signs saying refugees welcome (but not in their back yard) and label the communities who live in fear as knuckle dragging racists just to shut them down.
 
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Richardvanles said:
Knuckle draggers?
I’m talking about members of the communities who have genuine fears for their safety and their children’s safety. But that’s what happens. Folk are shipped in to hold up signs saying refugees welcome (but not in their back yard) and label the communities who live in fear as knuckle dragging racists just to shut them down.
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You only have to see the dog's abuse the poor parents of those dead kids in Nottingham have been subject to on Twitter to know who I mean.
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So I take it people such as yourself who would be quite happy to see the entire place concreted and built on to accomodate the endless arrivals
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Show me where I've ever supported unlimited immigration. The Govt have lowered the income and skills threshold to allow more immigration. It's obviously needed.
 
Richardvanles said:
A small minority no doubt, like the small minority hanging around harassing young girls. But you know that already.
What about the legitimate fear from locals?
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If it's a legitimate fear then it needs to be stopped. I'm not sure vigilante groups are the answer, they should increase police presence in the area.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
You only have to see the dog's abuse the poor parents of those dead kids in Nottingham have been subject to on Twitter to know who I mean.

Show me where I've ever supported unlimited immigration. The Govt have lowered the income and skills threshold to allow more immigration. It's obviously needed.
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Put it this way if you didn't support unlimited immigration you wouldn't be talking about the need for more safe routes as you put it. My question was what figure is OK with you until you think hang on there are too many people here - 100 million? 150?
 
SK24U said:
Put it this way if you didn't support unlimited immigration you wouldn't be talking about the need for more safe routes as you put it. My question was what figure is OK with you until you think hang on there are too many people here - 100 million? 150?
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Safe routes is the mask that the Left have chosen to wear now.
 
SK24U said:
So I take it people such as yourself who would be quite happy to see the entire place concreted and built on to accomodate the endless arrivals (through your new safe routes) are 'enlightened' rather than knuckle 'daggers'?? Why is it that you think the UK should accomodate people simply because they want to come? There are several country's I would have considered emigrating to when I was younger but I didn't meet the criteria. End of. Why do we have to be different to all other Nations?
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Have you ever seen how little of this country is actually built on?
Something like 60% of land and 80% of rivers aren’t open to the public. Mostly owned by descendants of those who came over with William the Conqueror. Time we claimed back some of it instead of doffing our caps and blaming it all on immigrants whether legal or not.
 
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