Why haven't we got any workers in this country all of a sudden?

I don't recall anyone saying there are no problems caused by Brexit but that doesn't mean that all of the problems were an inevitable result of Brexit or that there are other reasons things are not as good as we'd like them to be
Steady on, you sound like a socialist
No need to be unpleasant
 
Yes they were, so why can't some people just be honest and admit that, instead of doubling down and still claiming there are no problems caused by Brexit?
Seriously for a moment, I don't think that I have ever said that their are 'no problems caused by Brexit'.

My position has always been that it has been the failure of the Tory governments under May and Johnson to address these issues that is the real problem. They have deliberately made things worse for the people of this country as a punishment for daring to vote the 'wrong' way.

I had always thought that I had made this pretty clear on a number of occasions.
 
What I didn't expect was large companies bemoaning the loss of cheap labour whilst announcing massive profits and then being supported by left leaning people who wanted people to be paid more.


the first half of your sentence - if you didn't expect that then i'm amazed.

the second half of your sentence - i'm assuming that's aimed at me? i'm on record here saying that i want people to be paid a fair wage by companies making multi million profits for shareholders. what i don't want is them simply passing on the cost to you and me, so that their profit margin is unaffected.

there is not much sympathy from me for large companies, beyond the fact that most of them pointed out this would happen and were told to stop spreading fear.
 
I love it how you all make shit up because you read it in the Daily Mail or the Guardian or some other rag.
I’m a remainer, I don’t believe in borders. I’ve been in third party warehousing for 30 years. My last contract was supplying mainly jars / tinned food to the UK and abroad. I would bet 99% of you have this company food in your cupboard right now. The warehouse workers were 80% Eastern European (mainly Romanian) Around 10% African (Somalian mainly) and 10% English.
Moved to another contract around this time last year (working for the devil himself by all accounts) make up of staff 60% Eritrean 20% Romanian 5% English 15% Polish.
The few Eastern European’s who went back home personally from what they told me not one was due to Brexit. They had other personal reasons and never planned to stay here long term and the amount of Eritrean workers has exploded. Our sister site has over 200 vacancies thru can’t fill. We’ve about 100. In the last month I’ve had 8 resign from my shift alone from all nationalities. All but one quit for a better paid job. Most but not all were English.
Not sure what’s behind the vacancies but it’s not everyone fucking off due to Brexit that’s for sure. Maybe it’s the bounce back from lockdown and we just haven’t got enough of our own English workers prepared to work for something not far off minimum wage.
 
by your estimates, between 5-10% of the workforce are english. meaning 90%+ are from overseas. we've heard a lot this week about the tougher entrance requirements post brexit - particularly regarding the language. i think that has to be a big factor, and it is related to brexit as these rules only applied post brexit. whether the people are european, or from further afield, its all a symptom of the same policy agenda.

none of this in itself is a bad policy, its just been extraordinarily badly implemented. a phased introduction over, say, a decade would not have lead to any of these problems. but to try to implement it overnight, with the added pandemic factor, was madness.
 
by your estimates, between 5-10% of the workforce are english. meaning 90%+ are from overseas. we've heard a lot this week about the tougher entrance requirements post brexit - particularly regarding the language. i think that has to be a big factor, and it is related to brexit as these rules only applied post brexit. whether the people are european, or from further afield, its all a symptom of the same policy agenda.

none of this in itself is a bad policy, its just been extraordinarily badly implemented. a phased introduction over, say, a decade would not have lead to any of these problems. but to try to implement it overnight, with the added pandemic factor, was madness.
Maybe, those going “home” naturally are not being replaced. Another factor is the change in the rules meaning folk having to fly home last year to sort their visa out then struggling to get back here due to flight cancellations. I know a number of staff with this issue. But I still maintain that I personally have not spoke to any of my staff who handed in their notice saying Brexit was the reason for leaving
 
Maybe, those going “home” naturally are not being replaced. Another factor is the change in the rules meaning folk having to fly home last year to sort their visa out then struggling to get back here due to flight cancellations. I know a number of staff with this issue. But I still maintain that I personally have not spoke to any of my staff who handed in their notice saying Brexit was the reason for leaving
It's a perfect storm. Brexit, Covid and an aging workforce.
 
It's a perfect storm. Brexit, Covid and an aging workforce.
As economies pick up around Eastern Europe I guess more will return home. But the fact of the matter is a lot of migrant workers are on zero hours contracts living in the poorest parts of the cities in over crowded living conditions over the past 10/ 15 years. With or without Brexit we’ve not been very welcoming have we.
 
the second half of your sentence - i'm assuming that's aimed at me? i'm on record here saying that i want people to be paid a fair wage by companies making multi million profits for shareholders. what i don't want is them simply passing on the cost to you and me, so that their profit margin is unaffected.

there is not much sympathy from me for large companies, beyond the fact that most of them pointed out this would happen and were told to stop spreading fear.
Adumass it was a reply to CBC

Some big companies said this would happen but may prepared for it, most people in the UK are employed by SMEs and they are adapting. Remember no one has been thrown out, they could all apply to stay if they wanted to but Covid skewed the figures. We need to find a way to encourage unemployed people to move into the vacancies
 
I thought I'd be getting a choice of who makes the rules I work to, I didn't expect it to happen overnight and I didn't anticipate covid and bloody minded europeans doing all they could to fuck things up. What I didn't expect was large companies bemoaning the loss of cheap labour whilst announcing massive profits and then being supported by left leaning people who wanted people to be paid more.
Big employers profitability has been subsidised by tax payers (tax credits) for too long now they're being dragged kicking and screaming into the real world they don't like it and you seem to be sympathising with them.
What EU directives that apply to the rules you work to do you disagree with?
 
Seriously for a moment, I don't think that I have ever said that their are 'no problems caused by Brexit'.

My position has always been that it has been the failure of the Tory governments under May and Johnson to address these issues that is the real problem. They have deliberately made things worse for the people of this country as a punishment for daring to vote the 'wrong' way.

I had always thought that I had made this pretty clear on a number of occasions.
On a couple of occasions.

Each and every fucking day. ;-)
 
What EU directives that apply to the rules you work to do you disagree with
Where have I ever suggested that (although I do think the WTD is just bureaucratic nonsense and the HGV drivers hours rules are unnecessarily complicated) the point is I have little enough say in what our government do without having to be controlled by rules largely brought in to suit the French and German political ramblings of the week.
As with immigration, if we choose to bring in people from abroad to help us then that's fine by me but I don't want to be told we have to take people in because it suits the political dogma of another country or it fits in with their economic model to pass on the responsibility to the UK
 
Where have I ever suggested that (although I do think the WTD is just bureaucratic nonsense and the HGV drivers hours rules are unnecessarily complicated) the point is I have little enough say in what our government do without having to be controlled by rules largely brought in to suit the French and German political ramblings of the week.
As with immigration, if we choose to bring in people from abroad to help us then that's fine by me but I don't want to be told we have to take people in because it suits the political dogma of another country or it fits in with their economic model to pass on the responsibility to the UK
As far as I’m aware we didnt sign up to anything with the EU regarding immigration. We allowed in the quotas we wanted without any EU interference. I could be wrong. We have/ had pretty strict rules. The fact that successive governments failed to implement them was nothing to do with the EU it was the ones we voted for who failed.
 
As far as I’m aware we didnt sign up to anything with the EU regarding immigration. We allowed in the quotas we wanted without any EU interference. I could be wrong. We have/ had pretty strict rules. The fact that successive governments failed to implement them was nothing to do with the EU it was the ones we voted for who failed.
You could be right but why have so many left because of Brexit then?
 
Morning Richard.

I think you are correct in that we have not signed agreements directly with the EU. What we have done is signed up to agreements with third party organisation involved with 'refugees', asylum and free movement that have brought us into line with much of the EU.

We did not have to do this but the government chose to do so, all part of keeping us closely aligned with the EU.
 
You could be right but why have so many left because of Brexit then?
If you read what I posted last night in my opinion (and I have worked with literally thousands of Eastern European’s over the last 15 years) I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest they have. I’m a remainer and it would be great for me to say that and say I told you so but from my experience those that have left have left for other personal reasons. It could be that those who have left are not being replaced by others due to the difficulty of the new red tape but certainly the folk I know who have returned to their native country brexit isn’t the reason.
 
I did read it, my experience is similar but on a smaller scale. We have just taken on a Polish guy in a skilled job - methinks sumfukka is adjusting the truth to suit their own needs
 
I did read it, my experience is similar but on a smaller scale. We have just taken on a Polish guy in a skilled job - methinks sumfukka is adjusting the truth to suit their own needs
Not adjusting the truth. Just coming up with a reason that suits their point of view but my experience is it’s simply not true. It would be interesting to see if there are figures regarding how many folk return home year on year and how many new folk come here say over the last ten years. It would probably give us a better indicator. The split I witnessed. Those that come here long term (start/ raise a family) and make this country their home for ever or until retirement and those that want to cut and run. Live in shit conditions for x amount of years then go home with a relatively substantial amount of money to do whatever in their own country, build a house start a business etc. All those I know in the former are still here happy as Larry (apart from sorting paperwork. But I’m sure it’ll get easier once they know the process)
 
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