Vaccine Passports

hackneyfox said:
Which high end politicians are we talking about?
Names would be good.

A timeline would help as well. All these claims about what will happen but I need to know when, I'd like to book a holiday somewhere between Freedom Day and becoming a serf. If I time it right I may have one of the last flights ever allowed for the likes of me.
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Actually I do not think that 'politicians' are a big part of this, some like Xi, Biden, Blair, Merkle maybe but it is primarily about money and control.

It is the people who control the money and, increasingly, the data that are behind this, I have no idea who the Saudi or Qatari finance ministers are, neither do I know the names of those who determine the country's 'credit status' on the international money market or top advisors for people like Gates and Bezos, but they already have huge influence and will in time have much more.

As for timescale, a couple of years ago I would have said decades, generations even, but the changes in the last year or two suggest to me that it is going to be much sooner than you think.
 
I think it’ll be a lot later than you think.

We may all end up as serfs wearing wode but that’ll be down to Brexit not some world government.
 
Adumass said:
i can see how ruling families and politicians fit your narrative.

but what would bankers, and especially tech giants / multi national corporates gain by reducing the population?
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Interesting question, possibly because they are playing 'the long game', resources are limited and they do not want to see them used up at the current rate. Alternatively they see the mass of human population as a brake on the development of the 'elite', those, like themselves, who 'deserve' to take over the planet.

I keep saying this but the people driving this are 'different', they are not like regular people and simply do not think like us.

Their aims and motivations are beyond what most people would understand, 'high functioning sociopaths' does not even begin to describe them. Population reduction may not an active aim, but a simple consequence of how they see the world operating in the future. Whether we live or die is of no consequence, if their policies cause millions, even billions of deaths it does not matter, building the future that they want does.
 
mac said:
Careful AFC

they’re circling......
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I shall just 'go medieval' on them and beat them off with a stick. A small one will do.
hackneyfox said:
Well we agree there but that’s as far as it goes.
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Look, it's like this. You and I are as ideologically opposed as it gets on here, but that's fine.

We can argue the toss, throw in a bit of banter, even get a bit 'snarky' at times, but it's ok, we all get over it.

The people I am talking about simply would not do that, everything they say or do is calculated and for their benefit. Alternative views do not matter because the people who have such views do not matter.
 
R number up from 1.2 to 1.4 due to the delta variant.
clearly the willfully unnvaccinated are posing a risk to the country reopening fully.
 
the willfully unvaccinated are such a small small number its not really significant.

its the youngsters who are still in the queue that are the significant number now. soon they'll also be in the club and things should start to look a bit more normal. hopefully.
 
AFCDorset said:
They are the people who actually own most of the world, high end bankers, multi national corporates, 'tech' giants, ruling families, a few high end politicians.

Such people are not ordinary people like you or I who will happily argue politics over a beer or three but something entirely different. Sociopaths without a doubt, operating on a level with motives we can barely imagine, they simply want to own and control everything. Little else troubles them much.

Unfortunately they now have or are acquiring the means to control the 'serfs' in a way that was unimaginable a generation ago and we are letting them do it.
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How are we actually being controlled?
 
astleyfox said:
How are we actually being controlled?
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Right now it is just international travel, it will be extended in due course to all travel by making private vehicles prohibitively expensive.

Access to 'large' events, like the football, are now controlled unless you are one of the elite, and that can be extended and modified at will.

Hancock does not think that the NHS has a duty of care to non vaccinated patients, this will spread to all government departments.

Digital passports will be the instrument through which all your data will be collected and it will be used. Big brother is here, it will be in your pocket and made by Apple or Samsung.

Early days certainly, but the authorities will do this, everything you do or say will be monitored and held against you.
 
AFCDorset said:
Right now it is just international travel, it will be extended in due course to all travel by making private vehicles prohibitively expensive.

Access to 'large' events, like the football, are now controlled unless you are one of the elite, and that can be extended and modified at will.

Hancock does not think that the NHS has a duty of care to non vaccinated patients, this will spread to all government departments.

Digital passports will be the instrument through which all your data will be collected and it will be used. Big brother is here, it will be in your pocket and made by Apple or Samsung.

Early days certainly, but the authorities will do this, everything you do or say will be monitored and held against you.
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Those of us who went to Wembley are part of the elite?
Either paranoid or on the wind up.
 
MrTeabreak said:
R number up from 1.2 to 1.4 due to the delta variant.
clearly the willfully unnvaccinated are posing a risk to the country reopening fully.
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Need to reopen everything once all adults have been vaccinated twice . Refusers will have to take their chances .
So annoying these idiots will be taking up hospital beds unnecessarily and making lockdowns more likely in the Autumn
 
hackneyfox said:
Those of us who went to Wembley are part of the elite?
Either paranoid or on the wind up.
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But only a few thousand. Misbehave and it will get closed down again, be a good little drone and have your jab and you might get to go to a few other events.

All part of the deliberately divisive agenda, be one of us and get your rewards, dare to offer an alternate view and complain... :eek:
 
Foxgolfer said:
Need to reopen everything once all adults have been vaccinated twice . Refusers will have to take their chances .
So annoying these idiots will be taking up hospital beds unnecessarily and making lockdowns more likely in the Autumn
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If hospitalisation is a problem, why do the NHS refuse to treat people before they need hospitalisation?

Not only that but they ban therapies that have been proved to reduce hospitalisation if used in the correct manner.
 
AFCDorset said:
If hospitalisation is a problem, why do the NHS refuse to treat people before they need hospitalisation?

Not only that but they ban therapies that have been proved to reduce hospitalisation if used in the correct manner.
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Well I could take your word for that or listen to qualified health professionals instead . Where do you get this nonsense ?
And okay . I’ll try to understand . Why don’t they treat people before hospitalisation. Please tell us why ?
 
Foxgolfer said:
Well I could take your word for that or listen to qualified health professionals instead . Where do you get this nonsense ?
And okay . I’ll try to understand . Why don’t they treat people before hospitalisation. Please tell us why ?
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There is now a large body of evidence that shows the effectiveness of HCQ and Ivermectin based therapies, but the authorities and their tame media refuse to even investigate the possibility that these drugs do work.

The reason is simple, they do actually work and if this is shown to be true then the unlicensed vaccines would be illegal.
 
I think I’ll trust The Lancet and properly researched and peer reviewed data on the subject

DEFINE_ME

www.thelancet.com
 
If you or anyone else want the real world facts, try this...

internetprotocol.co

Studies Confirm That Dr. Zelenko’s Protocol Is Effective Against COVID-19

Our team has received a version of a study on Dr. Zelenko’s treatment protocol that is now getting ready to be published in medical journals, so now seems like the right time to share it in full.
internetprotocol.co internetprotocol.co

Note the date of the article. July 3rd 2020. Full 6 months before any vaccine became available. Suppressed by mainstream media.
A few months later something similar happened with Ivermectin.

If you want more, just link to some of the names and organisations mentioned, plenty to read.
 
AFCDorset said:
But only a few thousand. Misbehave and it will get closed down again, be a good little drone and have your jab and you might get to go to a few other events.

All part of the deliberately divisive agenda, be one of us and get your rewards, dare to offer an alternate view and complain... :eek:
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Next year grounds will be full again and not with the elite.
If I’m wrong I’m sure you’ll be the first to mention it.
I’ll even claim that in a couple of years people will be flying off on their holidays, again not just the elite.
Third claim, the unvaccinated won’t be in camps.
 
hackneyfox said:
Next year grounds will be full again and not with the elite.
If I’m wrong I’m sure you’ll be the first to mention it.
I’ll even claim that in a couple of years people will be flying off on their holidays, again not just the elite.
Third claim, the unvaccinated won’t be in camps.
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I very much hope you are right. And, by the way, when I do get things wrong I hold up my hands.

I know that I feel that that is happening now will impact severely on our lives, it has gone too far for the authorities to rail back now.

Timescale is hugely difficult, and a lot will depend on the detail, but I do think that this has changed our lives forever, everything that I see points to it. The big thing right now is the demonisation of the un-vaxxed, deliberate policy to shift the blame, in the eyes of the public that is, from the people making the rules and wrecking lives to people who are not on board with the narrative.

Classic deflection, actually one level beyond classic. Instead of the 'look what you made me do' rhetoric used on people who in some way miss-behave, we now have 'look what those people made me do to you' message and some folks are lapping it up.
 
So he doesn’t believe in wearing a mask but told everyone he was exempt.
Not sure what else he expected to happen in a country like Singapore but now whining that he’s lost a job and can’t see his family.
 
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