What an excellent idea!It's pointless debating. Mostly, we are just determined to never see things.
I see the usual people edging towards the authoritative line: you don't like the current conflict, so the solution is silencing people. Great, but I'd say that's part of the reason why we've got here.
Here's a simple suggestion for people who love the democratic voice of the people.
Why not have a referendum on this...
'Do you want uncontrolled immigration?' Yes or no?
The answer might make this debate unnecessary.
Of course, of course.It's only become uncontrolled because the Tories removed all the sensible means of controlling it, in an effort to weaponize & divide people on the issue.
Seems to have worked.
Go for it. And suffer the consequences of banning legal migration.Of course, of course.
So what do you think? A simple referendum. Wouldn't this be preferable to all of this divide and conflict?
You seem to be confused.Go for it. And suffer the consequences of banning legal migration.
Please explainIt's only become uncontrolled because the Tories removed all the sensible means of controlling it, in an effort to weaponize & divide people on the issue.
Seems to have worked.
Who suggested banning legal migration?Go for it. And suffer the consequences of banning legal migration.
It's the stance of Reform. One in, one out.Who suggested banning legal migration?
Ah I see. With any luck Reform will never be in a position to achieve anything but their present popularity does show that some feel very strongly about this issue.It's the stance of Reform. One in, one out
Was it a question about happiness? This is a question about who gets to decide who enters your olive grove. You or someone/something else.So only "people like you" can reply?
Simple yes/no referenda have a nasty habit of opening bigger cans of worms. Brexit hasn't made anyone happy, because it was either too hard or not hard enough (or somewhere in between) despite being the will of the people.
It's the strangest thing. You can have immigration rules around the world for most of your life. No problem. But these days, mention of it leads to hysterical messages on a football message board.Who suggested banning legal migration?
As long as the population want one thing, but the political parties continue to give the exact opposite, we'll always have conflict.So only "people like you" can reply?
Simple yes/no referenda have a nasty habit of opening bigger cans of worms. Brexit hasn't made anyone happy, because it was either too hard or not hard enough (or somewhere in between) despite being the will of the people.
But that's my point. "The majority" say yes or no. They don't vote on what is actually implemented and so the arguments carry on.As long as the population want one thing, but the political parties continue to give the exact opposite, we'll always have conflict.
Personally, even though I wouldn't be allowed to vote, I'd be happy to go along with the majority, either way.
But then I have faith in the people of Britain.
So you are for the referendum idea then and the people deciding, no matter if they vote no. Good to hear.But that's my point. "The majority" say yes or no. They don't vote on what is actually implemented and so the arguments carry on.
If you say so.So you are for the referendum idea then and the people deciding, no matter if they vote no. Good to hear.
Bannedontherun is on the popular side.
Dya wanna bet?The will of the the people cannot ever be binary.
My understanding is that the number of people employed to process claims fell significantly relative to the number that needed processing. Rather than increasing capacity which I also understand they've been able to do quite easily historically, the Tories chose to house the claimants in hotels at a much higher cost than it would've taken to employ more people, & use this as a means to demonstrate the cost to the British taxpayer.Please explain
Well bearing in mind, this isn't real. It's just an idea.If you say so.
What I actually said is that referenda with a yes/no option are a very bad idea.
Say, for example, all "immigration" is stopped. What happens then? Do people who want to live in Spain get told that they have to stay in the UK? Who decides who is and isn't an immigrant? If you're living in Spain as a UK citizen are you banned from coming "home"?
The will of the the people cannot ever be binary.
A number of UK politicians are, aided and abetted by their mates in the media and on platforms such as "X".Well bearing in mind, this isn't real. It's just an idea.
No one's putting forward the ridiculous idea that all immigration should be stopped and should be voted on to be stopped.
Can you see that?
I'm not sure if your understanding is correct or otherwise but to play devils advocate it "we" had increased the rate at which immigrants could be processed the already stressed infrastructure would have been over run. The fact is these people have entered the country illegally and therefore the process must be thorough, surely the best way is for them to remain in the first safe country they arrive in and then apply to come here, it may well be a long process but I'm not sure that excuses breaking our laws. I understand that some people feel this is wrong but we have to be practical and we can't all just have what we want because we "deserve" it.My understanding is that the number of people employed to process claims fell significantly relative to the number that needed processing. Rather than increasing capacity which I also understand they've been able to do quite easily historically, the Tories chose to house the claimants in hotels at a much higher cost than it would've taken to employ more people, & use this as a means to demonstrate the cost to the British taxpayer.
Unsurprisingly, this makes the issue toxic as people inevitably see the financial cost, & not the human cost.
It's pointless debating. Mostly, we are just determined to never see things.
I see the usual people edging towards the authoritative line: you don't like the current conflict, so the solution is silencing people. Great, but I'd say that's part of the reason why we've got here.
Here's a simple suggestion for people who love the democratic voice of the people.
Why not have a referendum on this...
'Do you want uncontrolled immigration?' Yes or no?
The answer might make this debate unnecessary.
It most definitely is uncontrolled when it comes to illegal migration. They have no idea who they are letting in most of the time and they are living rent free, claiming benefits, noncing our women/kids and nothing is done. How many illegal immigants are women and children?We don't have uncontrolled immigration now?
We have shite rules and implementation - but it is not uncontrolled...
If you say so.So the referendum should be phrased
"Do you want illegal immigration?"
Yes or No
It's uncontrolled by most people's standards.It most definitely is uncontrolled when it comes to illegal migration. They have no idea who they are letting in most of the time and they are living rent free, claiming benefits, noncing our women/kids and nothing is done. How many illegal immigants are women and children?
Do you think if I travelled to Syria or Somalia for example without a passport, they would put me up in a 4 star hotel?
Are you sure?Well nobody wants illegal immigration...
Yes, only immigrants do these things.They have no idea who they are letting in most of the time and they are living rent free, claiming benefits, noncing our women/kids and nothing is done. How many illegal immigants are women and children?