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Tony Blair

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Well if you don't get symptoms immediately upon the onset of a disease, but you have the disease and you can pass it on to someone else - then by that very possibility - you have to accept asymptomatic transmission.
No.

In this context, person to person infection requires a substantial transfer of a virus from the infected person to the non infected person. A modest transfer will be dealt with by any functional immune system and there is no 'infection' or symptoms.

For the infected person to be able to pass on sufficient quantity of the virus, they will need to have high levels themselves so will be sick, probably home in bed. Most infections occur in hospitals, care homes or at home where people are caring for a family member or friend who is genuinely ill.
 

sixthswan

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Transfer between people only requires a small particle exchange.

You get more ill over time.

Most people with Covid are infectious, 2 to 3 days before symptoms occur.

High viral load is the most likely way that Covid is passed on and result in serious illness, but you simply can not rule out asymptomatic transfer.

In fact you have admitted it is possible anyway, above.
 

AFCDorset

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Transfer between people only requires a small particle exchange.

You get more ill over time.

Most people with Covid are infectious, 2 to 3 days before symptoms occur.

High viral load is the most likely way that Covid is passed on and result in serious illness, but you simply can not rule out asymptomatic transfer.

In fact you have admitted it is possible anyway, above.
There is no evidence to suggest that people are infectious before symptoms occur, it is pretty much just guesswork at best, deliberate scaremongering at worst.

Primarily though this is a public health issue and as usual it is all about the numbers. People are different and the way they react to illness is different, some people catch anything that is going others not so, it is a complex subject. In general you are not going to catch covid in an instance of person to person contact, statistically it is just not going to happen.

It is all part of the ridiculous 'if it saves one life' mantra, simply part of the propaganda package designed to keep people afraid and compliant and it is working very well. Pretty much anything is possible sixthswan, but the chances of asymptomatic transfer is so low statistically that it is meaningless.
 

sixthswan

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Symptoms are a reaction to infection and that takes time.

I agree, a very short contact with another person is unlikely to cause transmission. But is it impossible. Do you know that for sure? How do you know?

In your last sentence. You are accepting that asymptomatic transfer does happen.

We got there in the end.
 

AFCDorset

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Symptoms are a reaction to infection and that takes time.

I agree, a very short contact with another person is unlikely to cause transmission. But is it impossible. Do you know that for sure? How do you know?

In your last sentence. You are accepting that asymptomatic transfer does happen.

We got there in the end.
Perhaps, but if it is statistically insignificant what is the point? Being struck by lightening happens but would you stay indoors 24/7 because it does happen?

Actually I will answer my own question. It is because asymptomatic transfer is being used as a tool to frighten people into compliance, it is the perfect weapon, if you do not comply you are literally killing someones granny.

Anyone who disagrees is a heartless murderer.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
The statistically insignificant bit is a construct invented by you.

You originally said it wasn't even possible.

So maybe you're wrong about whether someone can become gravely ill, through asymptomatic transfer. Just maybe...

If you do transmit the virus that way; it doesn't make you a murderer.

Who is actually sitting around petrified about asymptomatic transfer? Again, you've invented that.
 

AFCDorset

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The statistically insignificant bit is a construct invented by you.

You originally said it wasn't even possible.

So maybe you're wrong about whether someone can become gravely ill, through asymptomatic transfer. Just maybe...

If you do transmit the virus that way; it doesn't make you a murderer.

Who is actually sitting around petrified about asymptomatic transfer? Again, you've invented that.
Public health is not an exact science in that sense, it works on percentages, in absolute terms you can rule nothing out. So in that sense you are correct, but in reality people catch covid in hospitals, care/nursing homes or private homes where someone with a serious problem is being looked after by family or friends.

Other factors are so small that they are within the margin of error, I call that 'statistically insignificant'. Enforcing lockdown on the principle of 'just maybe' makes you as bad as Hancock or Whitty.

Stop people in the street and most will not know what 'asymptomatic transfer' is, but they are frightened because they are told that they can catch covid from people in the street or in the shops who are not actually ill. That is the crux of it, the propaganda about this has been relentless and many people now believe it to be true, and are acting accordingly.
 

sixthswan

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Just for the record. I'm not involved in lockdown decisions.

The point I've been trying to make to you, is that asymptomatic transfer is possible. You originally said it wasn't.

I don't even agree with the lockdowns, as I've stated before.
 

AFCDorset

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Just for the record. I'm not involved in lockdown decisions.

The point I've been trying to make to you, is that asymptomatic transfer is possible. You originally said it wasn't.

I don't even agree with the lockdowns, as I've stated before.
Understood sixth, but many things are possible, just never going to happen. In practical matters you have be careful with the language, perhaps I should have been but this is a football forum, more or less.

When you are dealing with large numbers, using measures that are not 100% precise, it gets a bit fuzzy, you know what I was saying, which is correct for all practical purposes, the rest is just semantics.
 
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