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Richardvanles

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I can’t even watch the murdering cunt. Evil personified. Only reason he turned to Catholicism is because they believe if you confess your sins before you die you’re exonerated from them.
Hedging his bets.
 

Foxgolfer

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Tony Blair the man who refused to say whether his son had the MMR jab, because it was a private family matter now wants to force vaccination on the population. And people fucking listen to this evil satanic monster.
Spoke perfect sense to me .
Incidentally in the Marr interview I saw , he didn’t advocate forcing the vaccination on any one . But once again - Facts aren’t your speciality are they ?
His actual stance was that it is inevitable that in some spheres for the forseeable future ( i.e. Foreign travel , large events like sport and festivals, proof of vaccination will inevitably be required .
If you choose not to have it thats your responsibility.
Can’t see the problem ?
 

AFCDorset

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Spoke perfect sense to me .
Incidentally in the Marr interview I saw , he didn’t advocate forcing the vaccination on any one . But once again - Facts aren’t your speciality are they ?
His actual stance was that it is inevitable that in some spheres for the forseeable future ( i.e. Foreign travel , large events like sport and festivals, proof of vaccination will inevitably be required .
If you choose not to have it thats your responsibility.
Can’t see the problem ?
It is coercion, plain and simple.

By any rational analysis it is a contravention of the Nuremberg Code.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
My choice is to not have the jab and live my life. It boils down to coercion.

I get where you are coming from. But this really isn't coercion. It could be deemed blackmail, perhaps?

But in the end, you can still live your life - but with a few restrictions.

If any of this nonsense even comes to pass.
 

Foxgolfer

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My choice is to not have the jab and live my life. It boils down to coercion.
Sadly all the data points to your life being very much more at risk if you remain unvaccinated . Hence the understandably cautious approach to allowing full returns to our freedoms
 

Richardvanles

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But in the end, you can still live your life - but with a few restrictions.

If any of this nonsense even comes to pass.
And you think that’s acceptable? (Not accusing you btw)
Constantly those opposed to being treated like a lab rat are asked to justify themselves which jabbers blindly get jabbed. No one can actually explain to me any logical reason to endanger my life getting a vaccine that is still in its test stage and what benefits I MAY gain from it. They just dribble shit MSM have told them without putting any thought process into it.
Q.Can I still get covid after getting the vaccine?
A. Yes.
Q. Can I still pass covid on to others after getting the vaccine?
A. Yes.
Q. Can the vaccine kill me or give me a life changing disability?
A. Yes probably.
Q. By not taking the vaccine will it improve my chances of survival if I get covid.
A. Yes probably.

Ok, I’d prefer to take my chances without the vaccine. Its clear my choice won’t effect others but the weasels insist it will without any solid argument.
Am I missing something? I’m genuinely at a loss to understand what their issue is.
Some use the “protect the NHS” line but that’s got more holes in than Compos underpants.
 

Foxgolfer

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And you think that’s acceptable? (Not accusing you btw)
Constantly those opposed to being treated like a lab rat are asked to justify themselves which jabbers blindly get jabbed. No one can actually explain to me any logical reason to endanger my life getting a vaccine that is still in its test stage and what benefits I MAY gain from it. They just dribble shit MSM have told them without putting any thought process into it.
Q.Can I still get covid after getting the vaccine?
A. Yes.
Q. Can I still pass covid on to others after getting the vaccine?
A. Yes.
Q. Can the vaccine kill me or give me a life changing disability?
A. Yes probably.
Q. By not taking the vaccine will it improve my chances of survival if I get covid.
A. Yes probably.

Ok, I’d prefer to take my chances without the vaccine. Its clear my choice won’t effect others but the weasels insist it will without any solid argument.
Am I missing something? I’m genuinely at a loss to understand what their issue is.
Some use the “protect the NHS” line but that’s got more holes in than Compos underpants.
The real answers to your questions looking at the data available
1. Yes but Reduces your chances of serious illness or death by 90 % or more
2. Yes but reduces transmission rate by 60% or more
3. No conclusive evidence of vaccines directly responsible for deaths, though available data suggests .0007% chance of developing dangerous blood clots if vaccinated as opposed to 7% if infected with Covid 19
4. Utter rubbish .
Glad to supply the facts as currently available .
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
I don't think the vaccine will protect you. It is certain that you will die.

Nobody is saying that you should take it. Well not me anyway.

If there is a chance that you could suffer more with Covid, without it - then it is your personal choice to avoid that alleged protection.

But if you accept that others may suffer as a result of you needing hospital care, then there is an alternative argument - which brings your personal choice into question.

Also there is mounting evidence (I don't know for sure), that vaccines can make the virus less transmissible. Not untransmissible, but less so. Which would gives some credence to restricting some activities of those who have refused the vaccines. Not those who can't take them of course. Because you are refusing to protect others.

Tough thing morally though...
 

AFCDorset

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The real answers to your questions looking at the data available
1. Yes but Reduces your chances of serious illness or death by 90 % or more
2. Yes but reduces transmission rate by 60% or more
3. No conclusive evidence of vaccines directly responsible for deaths, though available data suggests .0007% chance of developing dangerous blood clots if vaccinated as opposed to 7% if infected with Covid 19
4. Utter rubbish .
Glad to supply the facts as currently available .
1. Possibly, but Ivermectin and HCQ+ are at least as effective and have no serious side effects either in the short or ling term.
2. There is no evidence of this, just hearsay.
3. There is no hard evidence because no trials have been conducted.
4. As are most of your supposed facts.
 

Richardvanles

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I don't think the vaccine will protect you. It is certain that you will die.

Nobody is saying that you should take it. Well not me anyway.

If there is a chance that you could suffer more with Covid, without it - then it is your personal choice to avoid that alleged protection.

But if you accept that others may suffer as a result of you needing hospital care, then there is an alternative argument - which brings your personal choice into question.

Also there is mounting evidence (I don't know for sure), that vaccines can make the virus less transmissible. Not untransmissible, but less so. Which would gives some credence to restricting some activities of those who have refused the vaccines. Not those who can't take them of course. Because you are refusing to protect others.

Tough thing morally though...
But there is also a chance others will suffer if I have the trial vaccine and need hospital care. There is an argument that by taking a vaccine that clinical trials haven’t finished then I have put myself in danger through my own stupidity and therefore shouldn’t receive hospital treatment.
I’ve not seen any evidence that the vaccine reduces the risk of catching covid or spreading it (my wife tested positive at the start of all this as she was dealing with the old folk who were sent home to die) I tested negative. So as an individual I prefer to take my chances without the vaccine.
Once clinical trials have been completed and more data is available that is trustworthy (the so called data at the moment is nothing more than propaganda to encourage people to get vaccinated) then I’ll consider it.
I personally know more people who have suffered from life changing situations (strokes, etc) days after having the vaccine than those who have died etc from covid. People that were strong as an ox and never having a single day off from work. The media, the government and the jabbers claim there’s no proof that the vaccine was the problem but frankly I don’t believe them. If something don’t seem right then it usually isn’t, and this vaccine propaganda stinks.
 

AFCDorset

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I don't think the vaccine will protect you. It is certain that you will die.

Nobody is saying that you should take it. Well not me anyway.

If there is a chance that you could suffer more with Covid, without it - then it is your personal choice to avoid that alleged protection.

But if you accept that others may suffer as a result of you needing hospital care, then there is an alternative argument - which brings your personal choice into question.

Also there is mounting evidence (I don't know for sure), that vaccines can make the virus less transmissible. Not untransmissible, but less so. Which would gives some credence to restricting some activities of those who have refused the vaccines. Not those who can't take them of course. Because you are refusing to protect others.

Tough thing morally though...
The big lie is that transmission is possible asymptomatically, there is no evidence of this at all.

This gives the medical authorities the ultimate sanction to lock up and discriminate against the un-vaxxed 'for the safety of others'. Once people accept that, and many already have, sanctions against the un-vaxxed are on the way.

If you break the sanctions you will, inevitably be 'detained'. It always ends with camps.
 

hackneyfox

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The big lie is that transmission is possible asymptomatically, there is no evidence of this at all.

This gives the medical authorities the ultimate sanction to lock up and discriminate against the un-vaxxed 'for the safety of others'. Once people accept that, and many already have, sanctions against the un-vaxxed are on the way.

If you break the sanctions you will, inevitably be 'detained'. It always ends with camps.
You and camps
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
No, why is that relevant?

Well if you don't get symptoms immediately upon the onset of a disease, but you have the disease and you can pass it on to someone else - then by that very possibility - you have to accept asymptomatic transmission.
 
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