Time to change

My only real complaint with it is the first sign of making excuses for Rodgers though obviously it is but a minor point in the piece. Even if we had had the money the idea of him being in charge of refreshing the squad sends shivers down my spine and his actions when he found he couldn't should have seen him sacked. The issues with the club or the squad didn't start with the lack of spending in the summer of 2022/23.
 
Just a few more viewpoints about the content:

That money wasn't available when the summer transfer window was open last season but then became available (first for Faes and then in the winter window) should be no surprise given the Fofana sale towards the end of the summer window (and it felt at the time like we weren't dependent on selling him, just that whilst we didn't we couldn't bring anyone else in). What is more of a surprise is that if we indeed did end up breaking PL P&S rules, compliance was still contingent on a much higher league placing than 18th (we were around 14th during the winter window but results & performances following the World Cup gave no room for such optimism even with three new players then being added). The fact that it then also appears it became contingent on the sale of Maddison before the end of the year would suggest we were budgeting basis a much higher finish. All of which alongside 2021-22 reflects badly on the club's financial management.

That the club are saying little at this time about the financial situation should be no surprise either as they will need to tread carefully about public pronouncements whilst talks are ongoing. What is dismaying is the knowledge that once done with we will still not get clarity or anything more than vague assurances that it won't happen again.

That Willie Kirk is not the first Leicester City Women's team manager to be accused of having a relationship with a player can hardly be a sign of cultural malaise within the club if the first so accused did so before the women's club were acquired by LCFC. It shouldn't happen & for us as fans it is easy to feel it's another brick in the wall at this time but what will be key is how they investigate, how they communicate their findings and how they react as a result of those findings whilst being fair to the individuals involved. Again, past behaviour would give no cause for optimism for this.

As I said last week, it is for the owners to set the culture of the club and, as alluded to last week, it is one thing to acknowledge mistakes, learning from & acting upon them is key and this is where I strongly agree with the piece - and I think it is the thread that runs through it all regardless of the different reading of some of the detail; it feels like lessons aren't being learnt and that there is a lack of accountability across a whole strata of management. It should be acknowledged that the nature of the finance rules mean that there is an inevitable delay in being able to demonstrate differently in terms of the football side but that does not increase my confidence that it will happen.

What the piece also points to & what plenty of anecdotal evidence backs up is, I feel, how jarring it is when the corporate world meets the football world and this has probably been the single most consistent theme over recent years.

(By the way, I also don't believe that the finance situation was kept from Rodgers, I think he just chose to behave like a football manager of old and thought that if he made enough of a show purse strings would be loosened)
 
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Thailand's work culture places great importance on respect and hierarchy. There is a strong emphasis on showing deference to those in positions of authority, and seniority is highly valued. Harmonious relationships and maintaining face are crucial, and conflicts are often addressed indirectly to preserve harmony.

The above is part of the reason we are in such a hole. Big problems have been allowed to get bigger and the lack of accountability will bite us in the arse big time.
 
One thing above everything else is Leicester City never ever learn from mistakes whether on the playing field or the running of the club
The trouble mostly is the fact that running a football club on a business level and seeing a football club on a match basis
Fans it's heartfelt over yearsof support but
Running a club at a business is world's apart
From the balance book
 
buz_not_buzz said:
(By the way, I also don't believe that the finance situation was kept from Rodgers, I think he just chose to behave like a football manager of old and thought that if he made enough of a show purse strings would be loosened)
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Totally agree and it's taken him no time at all to reduce Celtic to a shambles this season. The mask started to slip after the FA Cup win, it fell off fully when Rangers got rid of Beale.

He'll never work at a big club again.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: things haven't been the same since Jamie Tarrt was brought back in on a permanent contract and ( as was astutely pointed out to me) Roy Kent was allowed to retire a year too soon.
 
buz_not_buzz said:
My only real complaint with it is the first sign of making excuses for Rodgers though obviously it is but a minor point in the piece. Even if we had had the money the idea of him being in charge of refreshing the squad sends shivers down my spine and his actions when he found he couldn't should have seen him sacked. The issues with the club or the squad didn't start with the lack of spending in the summer of 2022/23.
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Have to disagree because if the board just backed Rodgers in one of those January transfer windows we would've got top 4. We needed fresh players to make that extra push.
 
MeltonFox said:
Have to disagree because if the board just backed Rodgers in one of those January transfer windows we would've got top 4. We needed fresh players to make that extra push.
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Disagreeing with what? That he shouldn't have been in charge of refreshing the squad or that the issues with the club or the squad didn't start with the lack with the lack of spending in the summer of 2022/23?

I frankly have no idea what your comment has to do with anything. But on the specifics re: what I presume are the two January Transfer windows you are referring to, what in our transfer dealings during Rodgers tenure would lead you to that "what... if?" conclusion?
 
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Have to disagree because if the board just backed Rodgers in one of those January transfer windows we would've got top 4. We needed fresh players to make that extra push.
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Really.

You have that kind of certainty do you?

In view of some of the players Rodgers brought in I wouldn't have that level of faith.

Just look at the last three he brought to the club. Look at the players he continued to play despite us all knowing some, particularly Ward, weren't up to it. Look at the players he wouldn't play.

I wouldn't trust him to buy anything. Send him out to buy a dog and he'd come back with a cat.
 
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Really.

You have that kind of certainty do you?

In view of some of the players Rodgers brought in I wouldn't have that level of faith.

Just look at the last three he brought to the club. Look at the players he continued to play despite us all knowing some, particularly Ward, weren't up to it. Look at the players he wouldn't play.

I wouldn't trust him to buy anything. Send him out to buy a dog and he'd come back with a cat.
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Or a dead parrot.
 
Elsie Heffsey said:
Really.

You have that kind of certainty do you?

In view of some of the players Rodgers brought in I wouldn't have that level of faith.

Just look at the last three he brought to the club. Look at the players he continued to play despite us all knowing some, particularly Ward, weren't up to it. Look at the players he wouldn't play.

I wouldn't trust him to buy anything. Send him out to buy a dog and he'd come back with a cat.
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Yes we just needed new faces I blame the board for that not Rodgers. Two January transfer windows wasted because the board didn't get anyone in. Take last game of season Ndidi played centre back if we just a centre back in then we wouldn't of capitulated against Spurs.
 
If If if......... blah blah blah
We made bad buys, let contracts on assets run down to zero and overpaid lots of ordinary players
We are in big big trouble and it will take years to put it correct
 
buz_not_buzz said:
Disagreeing with what? That he shouldn't have been in charge of refreshing the squad or that the issues with the club or the squad didn't start with the lack with the lack of spending in the summer of 2022/23?

I frankly have no idea what your comment has to do with anything. But on the specifics re: what I presume are the two January Transfer windows you are referring to, what in our transfer dealings during Rodgers tenure would lead you to that "what... if?" conclusion?
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So it was alright with you that they didn't bring anyone in? Yes I was talking about the two January windows when we didn't invest which in my mind cost us champions League, when it was obvious we needed reinforcements
 
MeltonFox said:
Take last game of season Ndidi played centre back if we just a centre back in then we wouldn't of capitulated against Spurs.
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How about that when Fofana went off he replaced him with a defender - Fuchs or Morgan - rather than him weaken both the midfield and the defence by pushing Ndidi into a centre half position.
But that sums Rodgers up - thought he was a tactical genius but missed the obvious.
 
MeltonFox said:
So it was alright with you that they didn't bring anyone in? Yes I was talking about the two January windows when we didn't invest which in my mind cost us champions League, when it was obvious we needed reinforcements
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But again, what the fuck has that got to do with the post you originally replied to?

I'll answer your question though. Ignoring the fact that they obviously did bring in Bennett(!!!) on loan during the window of the first of those two seasons, was it alright with me? At the time it didn't fill me with anger so, in that respect, it was alright with me but, yes, I felt we needed someone in those windows. In retrospect (and admittedly this is in retrospect) I am less convinced now that it would have made the difference because taking incoming transfers as a whole over the course of 4 seasons, I saw little to believe that choices would have been good ones and, even if they had have been, that they would have been used effectively. More importantly, viewed at the time & in retrospect, lack of incoming transfers wasn't ultimately what cost us so much as nerve & organisation and I am not sure that in January a player who could bring those qualities was top of the list (and given the experience in the squad neither should it have been).
 
buz_not_buzz said:
But again, what the fuck has that got to do with the post you originally replied to?

I'll answer your question though. Ignoring the fact that they obviously did bring in Bennett(!!!) on loan during the window of the first of those two seasons, was it alright with me? At the time it didn't fill me with anger so, in that respect, it was alright with me but, yes, I felt we needed someone in those windows. In retrospect (and admittedly this is in retrospect) I am less convinced now that it would have made the difference because taking incoming transfers as a whole over the course of 4 seasons, I saw little to believe that choices would have been good ones and, even if they had have been, that they would have been used effectively. More importantly, viewed at the time & in retrospect, lack of incoming transfers wasn't ultimately what cost us so much as nerve & organisation and I am not sure that in January a player who could bring those qualities was top of the list (and given the experience in the squad neither should it have been).
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Ignore the twat, if I were you.
He just arranges words that he likes the look of, irrespective of whether they collectively make any fucking sense whatsoever.
 
Do I remember that the summer before last we hired a top, top head of recruitment and agreed to him being on gardening leave until after the window? Premier club with a chip shop management. Except chip shops know what they are doing...
 
Congerton and Bodgers did the damage before that. A Sunderland mate couldn't believe we went anywhere near the former after the shit show he left behind up there.
 
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