This ere rail strike then.
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hackneyfox
Roofer
Train drivers aren’t on strike tomorrow.
Take train drivers out the government propaganda and add the cleaners and the median (which isn’t normally used) is around the same as nurses.
Whatever they get paid the fact is that many people have seen their pay drop massively over the last ten years and with inflation running at 11% is it not time people fought back?
Take train drivers out the government propaganda and add the cleaners and the median (which isn’t normally used) is around the same as nurses.
Whatever they get paid the fact is that many people have seen their pay drop massively over the last ten years and with inflation running at 11% is it not time people fought back?
Brauny
The optimistic pessimist
The median for network rail workers is around £44000, that's nearly £20000 above the national average.
Inflation over the last 10 years as been very low, hence pay rises that reflect. It's only in the last year that everything as spiralled, and most of it is down to global pressures on oil, the exit of the pandemic, and a certain ' special operation'.
This strike is a rabble rousing lefty assault on a damaged PM and his government. I can think of far more deserving people than network rail workers who could rightly take up arms against their Personal T&C's.
Inflation over the last 10 years as been very low, hence pay rises that reflect. It's only in the last year that everything as spiralled, and most of it is down to global pressures on oil, the exit of the pandemic, and a certain ' special operation'.
This strike is a rabble rousing lefty assault on a damaged PM and his government. I can think of far more deserving people than network rail workers who could rightly take up arms against their Personal T&C's.
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homes
Guest
I’d be interested in your list of who are far more deserving and should take up arms against their personal Ts and Cs. You’ve suggested nurses - which most will agree with, so who else?
All of the rail workers were kept in work (including shift allowances and overtime) as opposed to 80% of basic if furloughed for the two years of the pandemic (remember that?) all paid for by the UK tax payer. They now have around 80% of the customers they did have but they want more money for it.
Everyone is in the same boat, inflation is a real problem but adding to it won't help anyone (do you lot really want to pay more for rail fares?)
The rest of it is pure speculation, Network Rail has to save money some how but they haven't made any proposals about how it will affect the workers and yet they're proposing a strike "just in case"
Everyone is in the same boat, inflation is a real problem but adding to it won't help anyone (do you lot really want to pay more for rail fares?)
The rest of it is pure speculation, Network Rail has to save money some how but they haven't made any proposals about how it will affect the workers and yet they're proposing a strike "just in case"
Walthamstowfox
Roofer
The MD of Greater Anglia received a £10,000 bonus last year.
Greater Anglia break their own safety rules & bring in office based managers to cover on stations during strike action.
These managers are paid an additional £500 for each day they cover.
Yet there's no money in the pot for a payrise.
Greater Anglia break their own safety rules & bring in office based managers to cover on stations during strike action.
These managers are paid an additional £500 for each day they cover.
Yet there's no money in the pot for a payrise.
Yet another absurd and abhorrent abuse of the situation but 10K won't go far amongst the staff that are on strike
They don't break safety rules but there seems little point if there are no trains
No they're not
There is money for a pay rise but not the amount they're asking for, whilst things are difficult be moderate, when things pick up that is the time to demand more money
hackneyfox
Roofer
When will things pick up, they haven't in 10 years.
- Rail travel assistants - £33,310 - includes ticket collectors, guards and information staff
- Rail construction and maintenance operatives - £34,998 - they lay and repair tracks
- Rail transport operatives - £48,750 - includes signallers and drivers' assistants
- Train and tram drivers - £59,189
And a 35 hour week
They're all on decent money, they've been doing better than most for the last 10 years when inflation has been extremely low and were particularly well looked after for the period of the pandemic.
The world is going into a recession they need to be realistic in their demands
They're all on decent money, they've been doing better than most for the last 10 years when inflation has been extremely low and were particularly well looked after for the period of the pandemic.
The world is going into a recession they need to be realistic in their demands
hackneyfox
Roofer
There is always a reason to not give workers a decent payrise.
My wife is a university lecturer, despite inflation being extremely low over the last ten years they have effectively taken a pay cut of 25% in real terms. If they call off their strikes over pay because the world is going into recession do you honestly believe they'll get a 30% plus payrise in three years time when things have settled down?
My wife is a university lecturer, despite inflation being extremely low over the last ten years they have effectively taken a pay cut of 25% in real terms. If they call off their strikes over pay because the world is going into recession do you honestly believe they'll get a 30% plus payrise in three years time when things have settled down?
Of course they won't but you can't get blood out of a stone, we're all feeling the pinch but if we all demand 10% pay rises it will only fuel inflation not reduce it. Hopefully things will settle down and inflation will be brought under control in less that 3 years
Has your wife not had a pay rise in the last 10 years?
Has your wife not had a pay rise in the last 10 years?
Brauny
The optimistic pessimist
I didn't suggest nurses. Their pay is far better than care workers, who are completely overlooked and do a tough job for basically a minimum wage.
The gig economy is a massive exploitation of cheep labor. My niece is on a 4hr a week contract, she gets more hours but it's a copout for companies who just use and abuse them.
There are many people who will feel the heat of this cost of living, but my support is with the low paid, not people like rail workers.
Richardvanles
Roofer
“Can’t get blood out of a stone”
The DUP did when the Tory’s wanted a coalition…
The Tory donors did when they wanted PPE contracts…
Zylinski did and still does for a few weapons…
It’s pretty obvious that you will defend the Tory’s regardless and bash the unions at every turn but fucking he’ll try do it with some credibility
hackneyfox
Roofer
So as long as there are low paid nobody else should go out on strike to protect their jobs/incomes?
hackneyfox
Roofer
In real terms a paycut of 17% or 20.8% since 2009 depending on whose figures you use.
Value of university staff pay has plummeted in last decade, employers' own research reveals
Pay for university staff has plummeted in real-terms in the last decade, according to a report released by universities' representatives.
I won't read the report Hakkers I'm sure they figures they've used are correct. I'm also not clever enough the compound the inflation rate over the last 13 years and I have no idea about the pay rises (if any) that lecturers have received in that time.
Maybe your wife should retrain as a train driver, the rewards sound like they are far greater
Maybe your wife should retrain as a train driver, the rewards sound like they are far greater
hackneyfox
Roofer
Employers say staff have had a 17% cut since 2009, Union says 20.8%.
Whoever you believe it's still appalling.
Billsballbag
Roofer
Why not move if it’s not enough
Walthamstowfox
Roofer
With regards to Greater Anglia breaking their own safety rules, I'm afraid they do.
Non assessed managers train/brief other managers almost on the spot.
When mistakes are made, no disciplinary action is taken.
During the last strike by train guards, no action was taken against managers who made errors guards would have been dismissed for
Non assessed managers train/brief other managers almost on the spot.
When mistakes are made, no disciplinary action is taken.
During the last strike by train guards, no action was taken against managers who made errors guards would have been dismissed for
Brauny
The optimistic pessimist
There is nothing to say they can't, and if it was purely about protecting their jobs then I could understand better.
When though, the average rail worker is on thousands a year more than the national average, then I find it hard to sympathize (regarding pay) with their argument.
Like I said there are many more in greater need than these lot.
hackneyfox
Roofer
If you were/are on more than the national average would you be happy continually getting lower than inflation rises year after year?
At what point would you stand up for yourself? When those in greater need have caught up?
Payrises don't all come from the same pot, if rail workers (for privatised companies) get a decent payrise it doesn't mean nurses will be treated more harshly when they ask for a payrise.
Please provide evidence
I think there would be more empathy if we we’n’t coming out of the pandemic (which has to be paid for) and entering into a world wide recession
Can you provide further evidence of your claims?
Richardvanles
Roofer
Yes! How many billion given to their mates fraudulently?
Needs to be paid for.
Millions spent on nightingale hospitals that were a waste of time.
Plenty of money for those white elephants but don’t you dare ask for a pay rise.
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homes
Guest
Turning this round. Your argument requires employees earning above an arbitrary figure to stick on that level until some arbitrary point in the future when everyone is at the same level. Sounds quite radical and I suspect popular with certain extremists - not sure that’s where you want to be (I could be wrong!)