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This ere rail strike then.

Brauny

Golden balls
So the median pay of train drivers is £59000 and nurses £31000.

I can now understand how tough their lives must be........
 

hackneyfox

Non-Member
Train drivers aren’t on strike tomorrow.
Take train drivers out the government propaganda and add the cleaners and the median (which isn’t normally used) is around the same as nurses.
Whatever they get paid the fact is that many people have seen their pay drop massively over the last ten years and with inflation running at 11% is it not time people fought back?
 

Brauny

Golden balls
The median for network rail workers is around £44000, that's nearly £20000 above the national average.
Inflation over the last 10 years as been very low, hence pay rises that reflect. It's only in the last year that everything as spiralled, and most of it is down to global pressures on oil, the exit of the pandemic, and a certain ' special operation'.

This strike is a rabble rousing lefty assault on a damaged PM and his government. I can think of far more deserving people than network rail workers who could rightly take up arms against their Personal T&C's.
 

homes

Roofer
I’d be interested in your list of who are far more deserving and should take up arms against their personal Ts and Cs. You’ve suggested nurses - which most will agree with, so who else?
 

What?

Roofer
All of the rail workers were kept in work (including shift allowances and overtime) as opposed to 80% of basic if furloughed for the two years of the pandemic (remember that?) all paid for by the UK tax payer. They now have around 80% of the customers they did have but they want more money for it.
Everyone is in the same boat, inflation is a real problem but adding to it won't help anyone (do you lot really want to pay more for rail fares?)
The rest of it is pure speculation, Network Rail has to save money some how but they haven't made any proposals about how it will affect the workers and yet they're proposing a strike "just in case"
 
The MD of Greater Anglia received a £10,000 bonus last year.
Greater Anglia break their own safety rules & bring in office based managers to cover on stations during strike action.
These managers are paid an additional £500 for each day they cover.

Yet there's no money in the pot for a payrise.
 

What?

Roofer
The MD of Greater Anglia received a £10,000 bonus last year.
Greater Anglia break their own safety rules & bring in office based managers to cover on stations during strike action.
These managers are paid an additional £500 for each day they cover.

Yet there's no money in the pot for a payrise.
Yet another absurd and abhorrent abuse of the situation but 10K won't go far amongst the staff that are on strike
They don't break safety rules but there seems little point if there are no trains
No they're not

There is money for a pay rise but not the amount they're asking for, whilst things are difficult be moderate, when things pick up that is the time to demand more money
 

hackneyfox

Non-Member
There is money for a pay rise but not the amount they're asking for, whilst things are difficult be moderate, when things pick up that is the time to demand more money
When will things pick up, they haven't in 10 years.
  • Rail travel assistants - £33,310 - includes ticket collectors, guards and information staff
  • Rail construction and maintenance operatives - £34,998 - they lay and repair tracks
  • Rail transport operatives - £48,750 - includes signallers and drivers' assistants
  • Train and tram drivers - £59,189
Figures above may look high but tthey all work shifts.
 

What?

Roofer
And a 35 hour week

They're all on decent money, they've been doing better than most for the last 10 years when inflation has been extremely low and were particularly well looked after for the period of the pandemic.

The world is going into a recession they need to be realistic in their demands
 

hackneyfox

Non-Member
There is always a reason to not give workers a decent payrise.
My wife is a university lecturer, despite inflation being extremely low over the last ten years they have effectively taken a pay cut of 25% in real terms. If they call off their strikes over pay because the world is going into recession do you honestly believe they'll get a 30% plus payrise in three years time when things have settled down?
 

What?

Roofer
Of course they won't but you can't get blood out of a stone, we're all feeling the pinch but if we all demand 10% pay rises it will only fuel inflation not reduce it. Hopefully things will settle down and inflation will be brought under control in less that 3 years

Has your wife not had a pay rise in the last 10 years?
 

Brauny

Golden balls
I’d be interested in your list of who are far more deserving and should take up arms against their personal Ts and Cs. You’ve suggested nurses - which most will agree with, so who else?

I didn't suggest nurses. Their pay is far better than care workers, who are completely overlooked and do a tough job for basically a minimum wage.
The gig economy is a massive exploitation of cheep labor. My niece is on a 4hr a week contract, she gets more hours but it's a copout for companies who just use and abuse them.
There are many people who will feel the heat of this cost of living, but my support is with the low paid, not people like rail workers.
 
Of course they won't but you can't get blood out of a stone, we're all feeling the pinch but if we all demand 10% pay rises it will only fuel inflation not reduce it. Hopefully things will settle down and inflation will be brought under control in less that 3 years

Has your wife not had a pay rise in the last 10 years?
“Can’t get blood out of a stone”
The DUP did when the Tory’s wanted a coalition…
The Tory donors did when they wanted PPE contracts…
Zylinski did and still does for a few weapons…

It’s pretty obvious that you will defend the Tory’s regardless and bash the unions at every turn but fucking he’ll try do it with some credibility 😂😂
 

What?

Roofer
You talking about credibility is pretty funny really

This is nothing to do with the government and not much to do with the majority of unions, most of them have the best interests of their members at heart and are not trying to cause mayhem with unachievable demands
 

hackneyfox

Non-Member
I didn't suggest nurses. Their pay is far better than care workers, who are completely overlooked and do a tough job for basically a minimum wage.
The gig economy is a massive exploitation of cheep labor. My niece is on a 4hr a week contract, she gets more hours but it's a copout for companies who just use and abuse them.
There are many people who will feel the heat of this cost of living, but my support is with the low paid, not people like rail workers.
So as long as there are low paid nobody else should go out on strike to protect their jobs/incomes?
 

hackneyfox

Non-Member
Of course they won't but you can't get blood out of a stone, we're all feeling the pinch but if we all demand 10% pay rises it will only fuel inflation not reduce it. Hopefully things will settle down and inflation will be brought under control in less that 3 years

Has your wife not had a pay rise in the last 10 years?
In real terms a paycut of 17% or 20.8% since 2009 depending on whose figures you use.
 

What?

Roofer
I won't read the report Hakkers I'm sure they figures they've used are correct. I'm also not clever enough the compound the inflation rate over the last 13 years and I have no idea about the pay rises (if any) that lecturers have received in that time.

Maybe your wife should retrain as a train driver, the rewards sound like they are far greater
 

hackneyfox

Non-Member
I won't read the report Hakkers I'm sure they figures they've used are correct. I'm also not clever enough the compound the inflation rate over the last 13 years and I have no idea about the pay rises (if any) that lecturers have received in that time.

Maybe your wife should retrain as a train driver, the rewards sound like they are far greater
Employers say staff have had a 17% cut since 2009, Union says 20.8%.
Whoever you believe it's still appalling.
 

What?

Roofer
Somewhat ironic that some unions are calling for more people to work from home whilst others are concerned that less people travelling may lead to redundancies
 
With regards to Greater Anglia breaking their own safety rules, I'm afraid they do.
Non assessed managers train/brief other managers almost on the spot.
When mistakes are made, no disciplinary action is taken.
During the last strike by train guards, no action was taken against managers who made errors guards would have been dismissed for
 

Brauny

Golden balls
So as long as there are low paid nobody else should go out on strike to protect their jobs/incomes?

There is nothing to say they can't, and if it was purely about protecting their jobs then I could understand better.
When though, the average rail worker is on thousands a year more than the national average, then I find it hard to sympathize (regarding pay) with their argument.
Like I said there are many more in greater need than these lot.
 

hackneyfox

Non-Member
There is nothing to say they can't, and if it was purely about protecting their jobs then I could understand better.
When though, the average rail worker is on thousands a year more than the national average, then I find it hard to sympathize (regarding pay) with their argument.
Like I said there are many more in greater need than these lot.
If you were/are on more than the national average would you be happy continually getting lower than inflation rises year after year?
At what point would you stand up for yourself? When those in greater need have caught up?
Payrises don't all come from the same pot, if rail workers (for privatised companies) get a decent payrise it doesn't mean nurses will be treated more harshly when they ask for a payrise.
 

HughJanus

Roofer
There is nothing to say they can't, and if it was purely about protecting their jobs then I could understand better.
When though, the average rail worker is on thousands a year more than the national average, then I find it hard to sympathize (regarding pay) with their argument.
Like I said there are many more in greater need than these lot.
Please provide evidence
 

HughJanus

Roofer
If you were/are on more than the national average would you be happy continually getting lower than inflation rises year after year?
At what point would you stand up for yourself? When those in greater need have caught up?
Payrises don't all come from the same pot, if rail workers (for privatised companies) get a decent payrise it doesn't mean nurses will be treated more harshly when they ask for a payrise.
I think there would be more empathy if we we’n’t coming out of the pandemic (which has to be paid for) and entering into a world wide recession
 

HughJanus

Roofer
With regards to Greater Anglia breaking their own safety rules, I'm afraid they do.
Non assessed managers train/brief other managers almost on the spot.
When mistakes are made, no disciplinary action is taken.
During the last strike by train guards, no action was taken against managers who made errors guards would have been dismissed for
Can you provide further evidence of your claims?
 
I think there would be more empathy if we we’n’t coming out of the pandemic (which has to be paid for) and entering into a world wide recession
Yes! How many billion given to their mates fraudulently?
Needs to be paid for.
Millions spent on nightingale hospitals that were a waste of time.
Plenty of money for those white elephants but don’t you dare ask for a pay rise.
 

homes

Roofer
There is nothing to say they can't, and if it was purely about protecting their jobs then I could understand better.
When though, the average rail worker is on thousands a year more than the national average, then I find it hard to sympathize (regarding pay) with their argument.
Like I said there are many more in greater need than these lot.
Turning this round. Your argument requires employees earning above an arbitrary figure to stick on that level until some arbitrary point in the future when everyone is at the same level. Sounds quite radical and I suspect popular with certain extremists - not sure that’s where you want to be (I could be wrong!)
 
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