Think I’d laugh for days

Labour don’t care about local issues in the north.

Can someone explain why David Milliband was the right bloke to represent the people of SthShields whilst his brother was chosen for Doncaster Nth?
Because it was deemed by the Labour Party that he was the right person to represent the people of South Shields and the majority of voters agreed with the Labour Party and voted for him.
 
"Odd that . Do they mean some Old Etonians will shaft them up the arse now as well as everywhere else ?"

You really are a narrow minded fool
 
people don't trust Labour with their tax and piss it up the wall policies
Yeah all that wasted money on the NHS, BSF, employing more teachers, doctors and nurses, introducing SureStart, reducing NHS waiting lists, free bus passes and eye tests for over-60s, introduced free childcare to name just a few. We can't have any of that nonsense can we?
 
The idea that, after the last year and a half of this government with its woeful and inept performance on Brexit and covid, could induce a swing of 16% in its favour, in what still is a Labour heartland, should be laughable.

But it isn't, it just happened and is crushing illustration of the state of this country politically. Not quite sure what it means as yet, but I find it a bit scary.
 
"Odd that . Do they mean some Old Etonians will shaft them up the arse now as well as everywhere else ?"

You really are a narrow minded fool
How is that narrow minded? This is what I don't understand. Why do people think these old-Etonians represent their best interests? Do they still believe the trickle-down effect will help them? Feeding off a few scraps while the Tories look after their own?
 
The idea that, after the last year and a half of this government with its woeful and inept performance on Brexit and covid, could induce a swing of 16% in its favour, in what still is a Labour heartland, should be laughable.

But it isn't, it just happened and is crushing illustration of the state of this country politically. Not quite sure what it means as yet, but I find it a bit scary.
Agree with you. It seems you could stick a Tory rosette on a turd & some people would have no issues voting for that.
 
Agree with you. It seems you could stick a Tory rosette on a turd & some people would have no issues voting for that.
“Some people” you mean the largest minority of people. Calling them “fucking idiots” etc isn’t going to change their opinion is it? You have to come up with a viable alternative that they can buy into. Like it or not that isn’t happening at the moment.
 
“Some people” you mean the largest minority of people. Calling them “fucking idiots” etc isn’t going to change their opinion is it? You have to come up with a viable alternative that they can buy into. Like it or not that isn’t happening at the moment.
I never called them “fucking idiots”. But I do question a bunch of people blindly believing that the Tories are the ones that represent them best.

The Tories have mastered the art of ‘deflect & blame’ - never allow the landscape to settle on anything for too long.
 
Yeah. Clement Attlee had no idea.
And there is a neat summary of Labour. That was a time when people thought them relevant and electable. Remind me of which years he was at the table?

Time will tell whether they recognise the enormity of what I believe is only the third time in 50 years that a sitting Gov has won a new seat at a by-election. And for that to be done by such a maligned Gov, at this time? A clear indication for me that they need to find some much brighter people to develop their thinking than they currently have access to.
 
Yes they do.
And rightly so.

Historically most people, including small and medium business owners, those who work for a living and pretty much everyone in the private sector, do better with a Tory government. Many of the 'old fashioned' working class are cottoning on to that too, they feel that the modern Labour Party does nothing for them.

And they are probably right, dreadful though the tories are, many people still consider them a better bet than Labour.
 
I never called them “fucking idiots”. But I do question a bunch of people blindly believing that the Tories are the ones that represent them best.

The Tories have mastered the art of ‘deflect & blame’ - never allow the landscape to settle on anything for too long.
Never said you did mm. one person on here has. (I understand his frustration) the point I’m making is it doesn’t solve anything.
I can’t understand why anyone would look in their wallet and see it empty and vote Tory ever. But folk do.
I can’t understand anyone voting Tory after the sleaze over the last 18 months but folk have.
But that’s just me.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Labour are not different or a viable alternative to the Tories so I’ve just accepted it. I subscribe to causes that I want to, to try make a little difference to a few individuals so at least someone’s benefitting but I’d much rather a movement that helps look after everyone but I don’t think that’s going to happen. The man has us just where he wants us. Opposing each other, blaming each other and lying and ridiculing anyone who cares for the wider community.
Hands up, they’ve won the war. The beat me. I surrender.
But I can fight my own little insignificant battles to better the life of a few others who need it.
 
CBC not every Tory politician is an Old Etonian or even privately educated, in the same way that not every Labour politician went to a secondary modern. You need to move on from those childish prejudices
Mistry your inverted snobbery is unbelievable, just because people don't see the world the way you do does not make them inferior beings you really need to have a word with yourself
 
Never said you did mm. one person on here has. (I understand his frustration) the point I’m making is it doesn’t solve anything.
I can’t understand why anyone would look in their wallet and see it empty and vote Tory ever. But folk do.
I can’t understand anyone voting Tory after the sleaze over the last 18 months but folk have.
But that’s just me.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Labour are not different or a viable alternative to the Tories so I’ve just accepted it. I subscribe to causes that I want to, to try make a little difference to a few individuals so at least someone’s benefitting but I’d much rather a movement that helps look after everyone but I don’t think that’s going to happen. The man has us just where he wants us. Opposing each other, blaming each other and lying and ridiculing anyone who cares for the wider community.
Hands up, they’ve won the war. The beat me. I surrender.
But I can fight my own little insignificant battles to better the life of a few others who need it.
Pretty much the first time I agree completely, apart from giving up.

Yeah I called them fucking idiots and it is out of frustration. Me and my family will be OK with the Tories in power, but I'd rather have a party looking after this country that provides more for those that aren't OK.
 
CBC not every Tory politician is an Old Etonian or even privately educated, in the same way that not every Labour politician went to a secondary modern. You need to move on from those childish prejudices
Mistry your inverted snobbery is unbelievable, just because people don't see the world the way you do does not make them inferior beings you really need to have a word with yourself
No snobbery. I just dislike the Tories for their corruption & lies.
 
Well say that then, stop insulting the millions who don't see the world the same way
That's the problem though isn't it? When the corruption & lies are as clear as day, & someone actually makes a choice to ignore them - that is truly depressing.
 
That's the problem though isn't it? When the corruption & lies are as clear as day, & someone actually makes a choice to ignore them - that is truly depressing.
The same people that get all purple in the face about handouts for immigrants, an amount that pales into insignificance compared to the handouts since March 2020, coincidentally to friends and family of Tory MPs.
 
Youve just got to accept, that your average Monkey Hanger doesnt give a toss about equal rights for trans-gender single lesbian mothers against the poll tax. Like the majority of us working class types, they are reasonably patriotic, so the term “flag shaggers”, will grate a bit. We are where we are, and thats no where near what the extremely well meaning Jeremy Corbyn and his momentum accolytes would have us. Starmers limp attempt to seem more like them was always doomed to faliure, because of his treasonous behaviour, vis-a-vis Brexit. The whole party is reaping what it sowed.
 
Youve just got to accept, that your average Monkey Hanger doesnt give a toss about equal rights for trans-gender single lesbian mothers against the poll tax. Like the majority of us working class types, they are reasonably patriotic, so the term “flag shaggers”, will grate a bit. We are where we are, and thats no where near what the extremely well meaning Jeremy Corbyn and his momentum accolytes would have us. Starmers limp attempt to seem more like them was always doomed to faliure, because of his treasonous behaviour, vis-a-vis Brexit. The whole party is reaping what it sowed.
Or about sleaze
 
Youve just got to accept, that your average Monkey Hanger doesnt give a toss about equal rights for trans-gender single lesbian mothers against the poll tax. Like the majority of us working class types, they are reasonably patriotic, so the term “flag shaggers”, will grate a bit. We are where we are, and thats no where near what the extremely well meaning Jeremy Corbyn and his momentum accolytes would have us. Starmers limp attempt to seem more like them was always doomed to faliure, because of his treasonous behaviour, vis-a-vis Brexit. The whole party is reaping what it sowed.
This is where most of it comes down to. Farage and his mob stirred up a hornet's nest of anti-immigrant feeling. The right-wing media joined in, finger pointing, blaming other people for the problems of this country. The Tory party got scared and moved further right to prevent losing their vote to Farage and co. Now the UKIPers are more or less non-existent, those that had their heads turned have gone Tory, as they are the party most like UKIP but with the power to bring in the policies they want.
 
Labour don’t care about local issues in the north.

Can someone explain why David Milliband was the right bloke to represent the people of SthShields whilst his brother was chosen for Doncaster Nth?
That's hardly a new phenomenon though (Ramsay Macdonald was a Leicester MP), and it's not confined to any one party (I doubt that the PM had much attachment to Uxbridge before being selected there). Personally I think it's better if candidates do have some sort of decent local connection, but there's also an argument that having an MP from a different (presumably more privileged) background means that they will have their eyes opened and understand more about the realities of their constituents' lives. Probably good to have a mixture across the whole membership of the Commons?
 
That's hardly a new phenomenon though (Ramsay Macdonald was a Leicester MP), and it's not confined to any one party (I doubt that the PM had much attachment to Uxbridge before being selected there). Personally I think it's better if candidates do have some sort of decent local connection, but there's also an argument that having an MP from a different (presumably more privileged) background means that they will have their eyes opened and understand more about the realities of their constituents' lives. Probably good to have a mixture across the whole membership of the Commons?
Yeh but posh people having someone posh represent them doesn’t really annoy people.

Having posh champagne socialist do as I say not as I do intellectuals from London using you as a career move doesn’t go down well.
 
Its simple we are a racist country and Thatcherism lives on.
Tell me harwich – which country is non-racist enough, nazi-free enough, and generally leftie enough for you to be happy to live in?
Is there somewhere? Or are you merely day-dreaming of your own personal utopia that doesn't exist?
 
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