The night of 13th/14th February 1945.

All of the material gathered from the destruction of Phorzheim, was used to create an artificial hill called the Wallberg.

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I’m driving to Frankfurt and Munich later this year, I’ll stop by in Phorzheim, take a look and pay my respects.
 
Sorry to say I was only 7 at that time had more than enough issues being a skinny runt who was bullied to fuck lost count of the times I came home from School with bruising but grandad wasn't moved just said "it'll make you stronger later do your best and fight back"
 
I’ve resumed reading my Dresden:The Fire and the Darkness book after the sojourn to Denmark. I feel that to relate anything further about the subject matter in the book,on this forum,would be inappropriate in the light of the similar death and destruction now taking place in the Ukraine at the moment. Thanks to those of you who have taken an interest in this thread up to now. Whilst it is a valuable historical volume sensitively recording a tragic event from 77 years ago in it’s unbiased assessment, it is very sad for me that history can tend to come round again in the most damaging circumstances imaginable. I can highly recommend this excellently written book for it’s important historical value and is one of the best on the subject of WW2 that I have learnt from!
 
That's the trouble Daggs we are
We have forgotten many Korea Cyprus the Mau Mau in Kenya and many many minor skirmishes that cause loss of life
We are in unstable world....... now it's the Ukraine.
I read a book last year can't remember the title but its main theme was about another Hitler type arising to start a Nuclear Holocaust maybe arising in the East.
 
I’ve resumed reading my Dresden:The Fire and the Darkness book after the sojourn to Denmark. I feel that to relate anything further about the subject matter in the book,on this forum,would be inappropriate in the light of the similar death and destruction now taking place in the Ukraine at the moment. Thanks to those of you who have taken an interest in this thread up to now. Whilst it is a valuable historical volume sensitively recording a tragic event from 77 years ago in it’s unbiased assessment, it is very sad for me that history can tend to come round again in the most damaging circumstances imaginable. I can highly recommend this excellently written book for it’s important historical value and is one of the best on the subject of WW2 that I have learnt from!
Thanks for the heads up on this book . Really enjoyed it if that’s the right word . Learnt a lot of stuff I didn’t know .
 
Just started reading Dresden now, got plenty of time on my hands…
On another note I watched the film Bombardment on Netflix, Danish film about the allies bombing the Nazis out of Jutland, quite harrowing and a true story, won’t tell you any more…
 
Pforzheim was known popularly as Goldstadt,the Golden City. This elegant town,a prospect of spires and turrets standing in a valley on the fringes of the Black Forest and close to the border with France,had long been a centre for both exquisite jewellery work and precision watch-making. It was a town of some 80,000 people;here were craftsmen in long-roomed workshops with large windows so that their delicate tasks with coils and springs,with flashing diamonds and glowing gold,could be bathed in light. Naturally,as with Dresden,many of these workshops were turned into new purposes for the war,manufacturing fuses and small ordnance and arms components.This was one justification for its appearance on the bombers’ target list. Another was -again,like Dresden - that the town was a troop-movement hub. At this stage,the Allied armies had yet to cross the Rhine;that was still a month away. On the night of 23rd February 1945, Bomber Command raised another firestorm. The column of incandescent light rising from Pforzheim was said by some accounts to reach almost a mile into the sky.
As with Dresden,thousands sheltering in cellars were condemned,the superheated air becoming toxic,the oxygen vanishing. Proportionately,the casualty figures were very much worse than Dresden. In the space of a few hours,some 17,600 people were killed - almost a quarter of the population. In terms of fire and explosive damage,the impact was also seismic: an estimated 83% of the town’s central buildings and housing were destroyed. The idea of one in four of a town’s population being killed in the space of a few hours is very difficult to comprehend; a massacre that ripped each and every family in Pforzheim to shreds, as well as tearing away homes and shelter,leaving a landscape looking like medieval ruins. This was the true gravity of war,the wild maelstrom that somehow had it’s own impetus,divorced from serious tactical thinking. Aside from the phrasing of newspaper reports,the shocking severity of the bombing of Dresden - like Hamburg,Cologne,Essen and Magdeburg - had clearly not prompted any pause,or hesitation,or doubt in the minds of the Bomber Commands.
And on the other side of the world,the American conflict with Japan brought a night of bombing that in terms of scale and suffering dwarfed Dresden: the 10th March 1945 attack on Tokyo. In the space of two and a half hours B-29 Bombers poured fire on the city,with Japanese defensive fighters and the fire services down below powerless to beat back the fury. The bombers which started flying over at around midnight,now created their own inferno. The sector of the city thay lay in their sights was home to just over a million people. Families sought in vain refuge anywhere: canals,rivers,temples.
The roaring firestorm rose and fathers,mothers,children were burned alive where they stood as the seething sky turned bronze. It was said afterwards that American pilots had to pull on oxygen masks quickly as they flew over,not for lack of air, but because of the pervading stench of roasting flesh.
 
There is always a dreadful pattern of escalation to every means of modern warfare. The means of war from the air was no different. In 1920 the British used “aerial policing” ,as they preferred to call it, in the ‘mandate’ area of Mesopotamia(Iraq) as an effective way of curbing troublesome tribesmen by bombing them. Similar tactics of “policing” were used by the RAF on the North West Frontier through the 1930’s up to 1937.
 
There is always a dreadful pattern of escalation to every means of modern warfare. The means of war from the air was no different. In 1920 the British used “aerial policing” ,as they preferred to call it, in the ‘mandate’ area of Mesopotamia(Iraq) as an effective way of curbing troublesome tribesmen by bombing them. Similar tactics of “policing” were used by the RAF on the North West Frontier through the 1930’s up to 1937.
The Italians,under Mussolini, used their own version of aerial bombing in the 2nd invasion of Abyssinia in 1935. They bombed the Ethiopians with chemical bombs and also sprayed mustard gas over large areas of the higher ground from their aircraft.
The German Condor Legion flattened Guernica in 1937,in the Basque region,during the Spanish Civil War in aid of Franco. (They had already transported Franco’s North African troops into Spain).
A foretaste of what was to come in WW2 was the early Luftwaffe bombing of Warsaw(1939) and Rotterdam(1940). Followed by the London Blitz and Coventry.
For 2 years(40-42)Britain’s only means of meaningfully fighting back against Hitler was bombing by the RAF. From 43-45 this was increased many times over with the complete destruction of cities like Hamburg and Dresden by the RAF and USAAF. Over 60 German cities and towns were extensively bombed during this period.
And all the time the ‘language’ used to justify it all is carefully composed. By the time of the bombing of Hamburg and Dresden the British were all too aware that the type of “area carpet bombing” that they were engaged in would mean increasing civilian casualties as an inevitable result. But causing “mass civic disorder and population gridlock and disruption of all means of transportation” is just a more palatable and disingenuous way of saying so.
The Americans tried to distance themselves from the British,at least in terms of press coverage, by clinging steadfastly to the notion that they were only engaged in “precision bombing” which turned out to be quite patently untrue.
In fact the area bombing went on unhindered without any conscience.
And all the time the unbelievably brave British and American aircrews were suffering staggering losses.
Churchill himself was starting to get “cold feet” about in the last months of the war and it caused something of a rift with Arthur “Bomber” Harris. It was left to Eisenhower,who always saw the bigger picture of the war, to give his sympathies to the RAF and USAAF by stating that the Allied ground forces are always grateful to the efforts of the Air Forces whenever they approach and have to take or liberate the towns and cities in their path.
Maybe it’s just best to leave these thoughts;
The first by Arthur Harris, “I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier”!
And of Matthias Greibel who was an 8 year old child witness during the bombing of his home in Dresden,later to become a writer and journalist,who pondered that was it at all possible that the city itself had helped to invite it’s own destruction? He was later to point at a swastika flag and say ‘A fire went out from Germany and went around the world in a great arc and came back to Germany’!
 
“Dresden was a wonderful city…history,art and nature intermingled in town and valley in an incomparable accord…And you have to take my word for it,because none of you,no matter how rich your father may be,can go there to see it if I am right. For the city of Dresden is no more…In one single night,and with a single movement of its hand,the Second World War wiped it off the map”.
 
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