The Green Scam V

Led By Donkeys said:
Can't you read?

AFC said ' there are no ‘sources’ that can be relied on, in this respect, none'

Moron
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Sadly there is no easy way to say this.

You read and gather information from many sources, you correlate your findings and use your cognitive ability to decide for yourself where the truth lies.
Quite a lot of people can not do that, they have to have validation from other people or sources, preferably ‘official’ or ‘regulated’ in some way so that they are ‘trustworthy’.
The fact that such sources may be lying through their teeth does not enter the throught process
 
AFCDorset said:
Sadly there is no easy way to say this.

You read and gather information from many sources, you correlate your findings and use your cognitive ability to decide for yourself where the truth lies.
Quite a lot of people can not do that, they have to have validation from other people or sources, preferably ‘official’ or ‘regulated’ in some way so that they are ‘trustworthy’.
The fact that such sources may be lying through their teeth does not enter the throught process
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I do the same but come to some quite different conclusions.
 
AFCDorset said:
Sadly there is no easy way to say this.

You read and gather information from many sources, you correlate your findings and use your cognitive ability to decide for yourself where the truth lies.
Quite a lot of people can not do that, they have to have validation from other people or sources, preferably ‘official’ or ‘regulated’ in some way so that they are ‘trustworthy’.
The fact that such sources may be lying through their teeth does not enter the throught process
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Spot on
 
AFCDorset said:
Sadly there is no easy way to say this.

You read and gather information from many sources, you correlate your findings and use your cognitive ability to decide for yourself where the truth lies.
Quite a lot of people can not do that, they have to have validation from other people or sources, preferably ‘official’ or ‘regulated’ in some way so that they are ‘trustworthy’.
The fact that such sources may be lying through their teeth does not enter the throught process
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Such unbelievable horseshit.
 
AFCDorset said:
The U.K. is not making any real effort to reduce pollution. De-industrialization has helped tremendously and, outside of the big cities, air quality is good. Water pollution is a problem though, partly due to privatization, partly due to increased demand in the cities.

Wealth distribution is something else, we are being looted economically simply to support the third world, mainly Africa. You may consider that is the right thing for our government to do but they should call it what it is and put it before the people.

It is simply a device to accelerate our economic destruction.
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De-industrialisation has helped but no effort is being made? A bit contradictory that.

"Wealth distribution is something else, we are being looted economically simply to support the third world, mainly Africa. You may consider that is the right thing for our government to do but they should call it what it is and put it before the people."
I thought our leaders were just puppets, being controlled by a New World Order, WEF or someone? If that's the case, why are they giving it to 3rd world? Are the puppet masters Africans? What about Great Displacement theory? Are they African Muslims controlling us and syphoning our wealth?

Anyway, I still haven't seen any proof of a scam, particularly from the OP of 5 threads making this claim. All he seems to be able to do is post laugh reactions.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
De-industrialisation has helped but no effort is being made? A bit contradictory that.

"Wealth distribution is something else, we are being looted economically simply to support the third world, mainly Africa. You may consider that is the right thing for our government to do but they should call it what it is and put it before the people."
I thought our leaders were just puppets, being controlled by a New World Order, WEF or someone? If that's the case, why are they giving it to 3rd world? Are the puppet masters Africans? What about Great Displacement theory? Are they African Muslims controlling us and syphoning our wealth?

Anyway, I still haven't seen any proof of a scam, particularly from the OP of 5 threads making this claim. All he seems to be able to do is post laugh reactions.
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Hi club book.

De-industrialization is about breaking this country economically, the benefits of lower pollution is entirely coincidental.

It remains my view that government officials know that there is an agenda and if they go along with it they will get their rewards. To do this they have to maintain the illusion that they govern with the approval of the people, a point of weakness that could be exploited, had we anyone in polltical life with the balls to do so.

As for the other nonsense, you are just making that up!
 
NeuroFox said:
ReaYou haven't. You've just copied dumb conspiracy nonsense and pretend that you've applied critical thought to it and made it your own.

It's laughably stupid.
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Hi NF
I know that it is difficult enough for you to understand but some people do have the cognitive ability to form their own opinions, really. Feel free to ask.

Reality is complex, rarely black and white, so you need to make judgement calls. Sure these are going to be wrong some of the time but the direction of travel remains indisputable.

I am entirely comfortable defending my views, happy to accept where I am wrong, but you have not even attempted to refute any of my assertions as to what is happening
 
AFCDorset said:
It remains my view that government officials know that there is an agenda and if they go along with it they will get their rewards. To do this they have to maintain the illusion that they govern with the approval of the people, a point of weakness that could be exploited, had we anyone in polltical life with the balls to do so.
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So how does the reward work then? Is there a point they are working towards? What's the target for the destruction of our society? How do they know when it's been achieved? When it is achieved, is it the lucky ones that happen to be in Govt at this point that get the rewards, or is it everyone who has served to help achieve this? Where is the cut off point? Do SPADS get rewarded, family members, assistants or just serving MPs?

AFCDorset said:
As for the other nonsense, you are just making that up!
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I just observe what's going on and use my own judgment to ask questions. You obviously haven't thought it through enough to be able to answer.

Led By Donkeys said:
A truly compelling response
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Still no evidence then.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
So how does the reward work then? Is there a point they are working towards? What's the target for the destruction of our society? How do they know when it's been achieved? When it is achieved, is it the lucky ones that happen to be in Govt at this point that get the rewards, or is it everyone who has served to help achieve this? Where is the cut off point? Do SPADS get rewarded, family members, assistants or just serving MPs?


I just observe what's going on and use my own judgment to ask questions. You obviously haven't thought it through enough to be able to answer.


Still no evidence then.
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Rewards in the short term are mostly financial. We have come a long way from the ‘cash in brown envelopes’ culture of the last century but overpaid non-jobs, directorships, consultancies or political appointments all provide the required rewards.
This is an ongoing project, rewards vary, sometimes just a promotion and secure job, gold plated pensions, etc, etc.
Push the narrative, get rewards .
Go against the narrative, your career, financial and social status is destroyed.

As I keep saying, it is simply a way of doing business, a decision goes the ‘right’ way, policy or regulations get tweaked.
If you are ‘on message’ they go in your favour, if not you are in trouble.
 
AFCDorset said:
Rewards in the short term are mostly financial. We have come a long way from the ‘cash in brown envelopes’ culture of the last century but overpaid non-jobs, directorships, consultancies or political appointments all provide the required rewards.
This is an ongoing project, rewards vary, sometimes just a promotion and secure job, gold plated pensions, etc, etc.
Push the narrative, get rewards .
Go against the narrative, your career, financial and social status is destroyed.

As I keep saying, it is simply a way of doing business, a decision goes the ‘right’ way, policy or regulations get tweaked.
If you are ‘on message’ they go in your favour, if not you are in trouble.
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Didn't really answer my questions.

Who gets the reward? At what level? How about family members? What about assistants and advisors? They must know the narrative as they are working so closely with the protagonists. What about those no longer in power who will have played their part, do they get rewarded?
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Didn't really answer my questions.

Who gets the reward? At what level? How about family members? What about assistants and advisors? They must know the narrative as they are working so closely with the protagonists. What about those no longer in power who will have played their part, do they get rewarded?
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I really do not know how I can put this any clearer, if you advance the project you advance yourself.
For those in the public sector there are better job prospects, secure well paid positions with perks and good pensions MPs and other transients no longer in positions of power get consultancies, directorships, political appointments, media work etc.
The fruits of the ‘gravy train’ are substantial and varied. Ask multi millionaires like Blair, the Kinnocks, Cameron and the rest.
 
AFCDorset said:
I really do not know how I can put this any clearer, if you advance the project you advance yourself.
For those in the public sector there are better job prospects, secure well paid positions with perks and good pensions MPs and other transients no longer in positions of power get consultancies, directorships, political appointments, media work etc.
The fruits of the ‘gravy train’ are substantial and varied. Ask multi millionaires like Blair, the Kinnocks, Cameron and the rest.
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Cockless 'works' in the Public Sector so is part of the gravy train.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Didn't really answer my questions.

Who gets the reward? At what level? How about family members? What about assistants and advisors? They must know the narrative as they are working so closely with the protagonists. What about those no longer in power who will have played their part, do they get rewarded?
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Ahhh, the nub of it. It all falls down when the believers are confronted with that kind of logic.
 
AFCDorset said:
Hi club book.

De-industrialization is about breaking this country economically, the benefits of lower pollution is entirely coincidental.

It remains my view that government officials know that there is an agenda and if they go along with it they will get their rewards. To do this they have to maintain the illusion that they govern with the approval of the people, a point of weakness that could be exploited, had we anyone in polltical life with the balls to do so.

As for the other nonsense, you are just making that up!
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the rule of thumb surely is: follow the money is it not.
brexit has done a partial job of breaking the country economically (which was what it was intended to do), so much so the govt of the time's own report saying as much was suppressed. who was behind that? you thought brexit was about straight bananas and getting back control but it's really about the uber rich screwing everybody else.
Who benefits from breaking the country economically?
most of the anti-govt Libertarian lobby are simply rich people/companies who don't want to pay their fair share and don't give a monkeys about the little people who rely on the govt to help them out.
and you lot think they have your best interests at heart. talk about naive.
 
Gnasher65 said:
the rule of thumb surely is: follow the money is it not.
brexit has done a partial job of breaking the country economically (which was what it was intended to do), so much so the govt of the time's own report saying as much was suppressed. who was behind that? you thought brexit was about straight bananas and getting back control but it's really about the uber rich screwing everybody else.
Who benefits from breaking the country economically?
most of the anti-govt Libertarian lobby are simply rich people/companies who don't want to pay their fair share and don't give a monkeys about the little people who rely on the govt to help them out.
and you lot think they have your best interests at heart. talk about naive.
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Ah the 'Brexit' bilge

Followed with 'fair share' & 'little people who rely on the Government'

Thanks for reminding me why I blocked you in the first place
 
Gnasher65 said:
the rule of thumb surely is: follow the money is it not.
brexit has done a partial job of breaking the country economically (which was what it was intended to do), so much so the govt of the time's own report saying as much was suppressed. who was behind that? you thought brexit was about straight bananas and getting back control but it's really about the uber rich screwing everybody else.
Who benefits from breaking the country economically?
most of the anti-govt Libertarian lobby are simply rich people/companies who don't want to pay their fair share and don't give a monkeys about the little people who rely on the govt to help them out.
and you lot think they have your best interests at heart. talk about naive.
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I don't think follow the money is enough. You might have to think wider and darker. Just my 2 cents.
If you think our world's just accidentally going down the pan, you'll only be left with a bunch of coincidence and lack of political talent to explain it.
 
Led By Donkeys said:
Ah the 'Brexit' bilge

Followed with 'fair share' & 'little people who rely on the Government'

Thanks for reminding me why I blocked you in the first place
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i know that 4-6% hit on gdp is cognitive dissonance for people like you, but it can't be helped.
Good to know you don't care about the poor or people paying their fair share in to help others, although i think we'd worked out by now that you're one of the "i'm alright jack" types.
 
BigDave said:
I don't think follow the money is enough. You might have to think wider and darker. Just my 2 cents.
If you think our world's just accidentally going down the pan, you'll only be left with a bunch of coincidence and lack of political talent to explain it.
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follow the money, not accidental, on purpose, but for money. oldest reason in the world.
 
Gnasher65 said:
the rule of thumb surely is: follow the money is it not.
brexit has done a partial job of breaking the country economically (which was what it was intended to do), so much so the govt of the time's own report saying as much was suppressed. who was behind that? you thought brexit was about straight bananas and getting back control but it's really about the uber rich screwing everybody else.
Who benefits from breaking the country economically?
most of the anti-govt Libertarian lobby are simply rich people/companies who don't want to pay their fair share and don't give a monkeys about the little people who rely on the govt to help them out.
and you lot think they have your best interests at heart. talk about naive.
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In the short term the benifit is financial, the remaining assets that are still worth something, finance, engineering and military tech are all coveted by the EU and will be sold to pay our bills.

In the longer term, a destroyed country will be unable to resist the globalists. We only need
Gnasher65 said:
i know that 4-6% hit on gdp is cognitive dissonance for people like you, but it can't be helped.
Good to know you don't care about the poor or people paying their fair share in to help others, although i think we'd worked out by now that you're one of the "i'm alright jack" types.
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The issues that the country had post referendum was the result of the government refusing to honour the result and get out from under the EU.

Had we done that we could have grown the economy giving ‘poor’ people the possibility of a better life in a vibrant country.
 
BigDave said:
If you think our world's just accidentally going down the pan, you'll only be left with a bunch of coincidence and lack of political talent to explain it.
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But is "the world" going down the pan?

Or is it that some established powers are going down the pan, as other countries are on the rise? The shift in world power is undeniable.
 
Led By Donkeys said:
Cockless 'works' in the Public Sector so is part of the gravy train.
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Ah yes, essential statutory services, those well known gravy trains. There's people work for Local Authorities who could earn double if they moved to the private sector.

Anyway, got any evidence of this green scam yet?
Adumass said:
But is "the world" going down the pan?
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Their little world is, that's why they blame everyone else for any problems in the country. It's all gone woke. You can't even say you're English these days without being arrested.
AFCDorset said:
The fruits of the ‘gravy train’ are substantial and varied. Ask multi millionaires like Blair, the Kinnocks, Cameron and the rest.
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So a few ex-politicians have used their status to make some money. What about the 1000s that haven't? They've probably gone back into working in industry, private sector business etc. When do they get their rewards or have they missed out? Why would they have co-operated with the puppet masters, knowing they won't get the rewards?
 
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