The Five Stages of Grief (Top)

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I’ve been thinking about this for a time now and wonder where Top is in this. For context the 5 stages are normally to do with death but obviously can be anything in theory.

For the record the five stages are Denial Anger Bargaining Depression and Acceptance. Anyone on here who has lost someone close to them will probably understand this more.

Without getting too serious about this, I do wonder where Top is now, more than 6 years on from Vichai’s death.

1. We have to assume that they’d been conversations between the two of them in the event of a sudden death to Vichai. My guess is if Vichai would have lived, he’d have stayed in charge of KP until he was 70, which is 2028. Top will be 43 in 2028. Ironically Top is the youngest of the 4 children yet has always been the one it seems to take over from Vichai. The others are either incapable or just don’t want it. Obviously this is all the unknown, but looking at how Buddhism works, it has to be assumed that Vichai put in place that in the event of his sudden death, that everything stays the same. Don’t make any rash decisions and most importantly keep those who’ve been loyal to KP close to you. Loyalty is everything.

2. Back to the 5 stages, I reckon Top is bobbing between bargaining & depression probably. ( stages 3/4). I’m no psychologist but one of the bargaining aspects is trying to make deals with yourself or a higher power ( Buddhism). On the depression front, one of the points is that you feel helpless and isolated. Remember he was always the child who was going to take over KP, not his two older sisters or the brother. Suddenly without warning, he was thrust into the spotlight, on his own, with the whole of KP looking at him now for leadership. LCFC too. All on his shoulders. Yes he got enormous sympathy but that only goes so far for so long.

3. On the football front just one year after Vichai’s tragic death all was going brilliantly. He’d got rid of Puel who was taking us nowhere and replaced him with someone who really could take us forward. The timing of TCR’s appointment was perfect. He was told in February that you come to us now or not at all. Poor narcissistic TCR wanted to win the treble treble but his ego told him to go and sod the wrath of the Green Army. By the start of the 18/19 season all was ready. By early December we were top of the PL, had won 8 top flight matches in a row ( a record) including a record 9-0 away win and everything was as good as it could be. But as anyone knows from history, you are at your weakest at your strongest time. You suddenly go from being very confident to getting a bit cocky, you make rash decisions because you’re on top of the world and all around you are backslapping each other of what’s been achieved. . A great example is Hitler. As our resident historian Borebage will tell us, Hitler had the UK by the bollocks in early September 1940 but got personal and suddenly started the blitz on London because we’d bombed Berlin in late August. It took the pressure off the Kent airfields and suddenly operation Sealion was abandoned. Back to Top. Loads of the usual suspects were sniffing around TCR so Tops favoured football lieutenant gave him a crazy five year contract @£10m/year! Little Leicester City. By 2020 poor Top was trying to align KP’s businesses in Thailand during the worst pandemic in a century on top of running a football club. But the club were doing ok right? A league cup SF too. Well yes and no. Sadly we came 5th in a 4 horse PL race but don’t worry as by the following season we were doing equally well. More backslapping no doubt as we finally opened Vichai’s dream. A £100m training centre that would push little Leicester City into potentially a big 6 club. A training centre in fact far better than any other PL club. We’d really hit the big time. Another (sadly) 5th place in a 4 horse race in 2021, which on paper looked bad but hold on. This is Little Leicester! ( LL). But more importantly we finally won the bloody FA Cup! So another stellar year everyone’s saying. We’d bought in a load of players because of Europe and were paying them top dollar but that’s what the big teams do don’t they. And we’re now a big team surely. But behind the scenes the wheels are already loosening. Despite getting to the Europa Conference SF’s, the season had been bitty. Easily knocked out of the Europa League in a piss easy group, we’d basically made the CL SF on one 2nd half performance in Eindhoven. Smashed at F**^% in the Cup. But despite playing a record 58 games we still managed 8th. Not bad surely. Top’s happy as it was another good season. Or was it? TCR wasn’t happy

4. And now the crunch. You only find out who your friends really are when there’s a problem. You only find out who the really good managers of any organisation are when things go wrong. It’s not the problem but more importantly how you react. 2022/3 started badly. Very badly. That 2-2! Then 6 straight losses and not just losing but getting smashed ( that 5-2 at Brighton!). It’s obvious TCR’s time is up. Cmon Top. You’re the boss now. Sack him. But it takes him months. Top, you sacked Puel who remember guided the club and players brilliantly during those first dark weeks after Vichai died. This is an expensive business. No time for sentiment. Yes TCR had done well for us. In fact at times wonderfully well. But remember your dad sacked dear old, the most charming, the one the whole world loved, Claudio, just 9 months after the biggest sporting miracle of all time. So now Top. Now. But we waited and.we waited and we waited. Was Top still bobbing between Bargaining and Depression 4 years after Vichai’s death, meaning he’s trying to make deals with himself, feels lonely not only in his own family but in KP and then LCFC. Has he lost perspective of the whole business ( one of the Depression examples). Is it all too much? All he wants is his dad back, someone he can 100% trust and knew what to do. Why why why did he get into that bloody helicopter that night. Poor Top is literally frozen in time but he constantly remembers those chats he had with his dear dad. If the unthinkable ever happens whatever you do, DONT change anything and more importantly stick to those who are loyal to KP. They will guide you. And so I give you ladies & gentlemen one Susan Whelan and on the football side Jon Rudkin, someone who is the football equivalent of Trump. A con man. For context a few months ago on here, I made a tongue in cheek comment that surely Rudkin has something on Top to stay in his job. Soho quite rightly advised me to retract the comment as it could potentially be libellous. I don’t think now Rudkin does have anything on Top. Top just sees him as 100% loyal to KP.

5. So to conclude this, here we are more than 6 years after his death. Watching Top on Saturday at the match, there he was sitting next to his trusted lieutenant. His dad’s trusted friend. A man who has put the club into total financial jeopardy by giving long expensive PL contracts to players who are mid championship at best. Who has occasionally pulled the odd rabbit out of the hat ( Maresca) but generally screws up and is getting worse and worse. He chooses a manager with zip experience and players who are generally crap. ( Remember F*+^% defence including the goalie cost £50m). So Top it’s time to move onto the last stage of grief I’d suggest. Acceptance. Acknowledge what’s happened and move forward. If you can’t do that, then perhaps it’s time to sell up. Yes LCFC was your dad’s baby but you’re in charge now. It’s now your baby and you can’t keep throwing millions at it like a drunk gambler in Las Vegas chasing their losses. Because if you don’t act decisively soon this will just get worse and worse. I wish him well

Sorry I’ve ranted on a bit there but there’s obviously something not right. This is just my personal take on it.
 
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One thing LG you may have forgotten l went through a phase of not being able to greive for my Son, its sad, l know but some go through it, thought it was unnatural until l was told sometimes your mind blanks it out and one day hits you like a sledgehammer
 
One thing LG you may have forgotten l went through a phase of not being able to greive for my Son, its sad, l know but some go through it, thought it was unnatural until l was told sometimes your mind blanks it out and one day hits you like a sledgehammer

It’s so sad kendal. It’s your worst nightmare as a parent losing a child. I completely get it that one can literally freeze in time, not able to deal with life in any way. Difficult to move forward at all. This is what I think has happened to Top.
 
Some good points there LG.
However the five stages of grief were a theory applied to the terminally ill and latterly, those close to them.
A tragic and sudden death, or change has more nuances.
Especially when it all happens under the public gaze, with added trauma, lack of closure and the formal demands of finding the truth.
For Top, it is entirely possible that the five stages doesn't come close to capturing the intensity, complexity and challenges experienced.

His record since the tragedy has been both impressive and also poor.

As you pointed out, there was a lot of early success on the football front.
We should not forget, ever, that had Man City's European ban stayed in place (and it should have because they cheated) - then we would have had all that Champions League money. Things would have turned out different...
The FA Cup remains a huge legacy forever. Future Leicester fans will not be concerned with what was good and bad at the club during this period. They will simply look at the photos of the trophy being held aloft. The videos of celebration.

On the business front, Top actually sailed through the very choppy waters of Covid. With a threat to King Power's hold on airport franchises, he won out and also secured government funding to bridge the gap in income. The business is swimming in money again.

He's cleared over £300m of debt, owed by Leicester City to King Power in recent years.

On the very negative side, he should have barged Rodgers out very early on and Rudkin has made too many mistakes.

But I'm left wondering whether, in a world without FFP and PSR, we would have continued on our upward trajectory after 2015/16. We were the only Champions of the top-flight, who were purposefully curtailed from expanding on what we had achieved. We couldn't buy the type of players we needed to get even better. We still had to rely on risky investments, lower in the ladder, of from abroad.

We flew too close to the sun...

But I still have hope. Vichai made plenty of mistakes. He learned from them and not always straight away.
The miracle isn't over yet...
 
One thing I'd love to know. Who actually picks the managers? If the reports at the time were true, it was Top's decision to sack cooper . Almost on a whim (and he has form for this, a previous instance sent him to a monastery for a month).

Does he also have the same impulse with hiring? Did he force through RVN based on his name, rather than his credentials? If so, it makes sacking him a very tricky thing for an underling to propose...
 
One thing I'd love to know. Who actually picks the managers? If the reports at the time were true, it was Top's decision to sack cooper . Almost on a whim (and he has form for this, a previous instance sent him to a monastery for a month).

Does he also have the same impulse with hiring? Did he force through RVN based on his name, rather than his credentials? If so, it makes sacking him a very tricky thing for an underling to propose...
Allegedly Top lost in faith in Cooper during a meeting about future transfer targets, and was vastly underwhelmed with the future plans.

In RVN defence he galvanised Man Utd for that brief few weeks.
 
& ole Gunnar solskjaer won 10 in a row for them a few years back, but every football fan worth there salt knew he was a shit manager & it was hilarious when they gave him the job permanently.
 
Allegedly Top lost in faith in Cooper during a meeting about future transfer targets, and was vastly underwhelmed with the future plans.

In RVN defence he galvanised Man Utd for that brief few weeks.
But in essence with players who have better skills than our present lot
 
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