The budget.

SteveYork said:
Do you think child benefit (and whatever else makes up the £3500 per child per annum that someone mentioned elsewhere) should be abolished?
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It's worth pointing out that the change announced doesn't affect child benefit at all. It's only about entitlement to the Universal Credit child element.

This was removed for children born after April 2017 and Labour believe that it has caused an increase in child poverty.

Personally, I agree with limiting benefits and think this is a retrograde step. I believe in reducing child poverty through children having two active parents that work.

We do have a massive issue developing in this country with birth rates and many young people say that cost is a major reason for having fewer children.

Something does need to be done to support young parents but I see this as a lazy attempt.
 
Another manifesto pledge broken.
The right to claim unfair dismissal from day 1 of a job is to be altered to 6 months.
So your employer can use and abuse you for 5 months and 29 days, spit you out and you've not got a leg to stand on.
Marvelous 🤡
 
Pen4 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1994049583505199600


https://twitter.com/x/status/1993963301177315541
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Well done Martin, excellent analysis. Only, it's not child benefit.

Hey Sophie, did you know 38% of UC claimants also work?

Brauny said:
Absolutely spot on
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Must be great to be perfect and never make a mistake. What about those who lose their jobs through no fault of their own? Do you think all these people make a lifestyle choice of having another child for an extra £4400 per year?
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Well done Martin, excellent analysis. Only, it's not child benefit.

Hey Sophie, did you know 38% of UC claimants also work?


Must be great to be perfect and never make a mistake. What about those who lose their jobs through no fault of their own? Do you think all these people make a lifestyle choice of having another child for an extra £4400 per year?
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Load of bollox, I unfortunately have family members that play the system and this budget is a fucking disgrace because it's screwing workers and sticking up for feckless lazy cunts.
So fucking Labour.
 
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Brauny said:
Load of bollox, I unfortunately have family members that play the system and this budget is a fucking disgrace because it's screwing workers and sticking up for feckless lazy cunts.
So fucking Labour.
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There's always someone takes advantage of any system. You don't seem to be so angry about millionaires avoiding tax.

The 2 child benefit cap had no effect on the number of people having more than 2 children, so it was basically punishing children born into poverty. But all lives matter, eh?

Where do you think their extra money will go? All back into the economy. Where do rich people put their extra money? Offshore accounts. Very patriotic.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
There's always someone takes advantage of any system. You don't seem to be so angry about millionaires avoiding tax.

The 2 child benefit cap had no effect on the number of people having more than 2 children, so it was basically punishing children born into poverty. But all lives matter, eh?

Where do you think their extra money will go? All back into the economy. Where do rich people put their extra money? Offshore accounts. Very patriotic.
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Someone earning £150K a year pays over £53K a year in tax someone earning £25K a year pays less then £3K the rich are not the problem.but you know that
 
A dire YouGov poll on the budget lays out the scale of the task for Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves48% see it as unfair vs 21% who see it as fairThat’s the second worst score for a budget recorded by YouGov. Only the Truss mini-budget fared worse50% say it will leave their family worse off. Only 3% say they’ll be better offa clear majority of people oppose the tax rise on workers and lifting the two child benefit cap - a brutal indictment of the decisions taken on Wednesday Zero percent say the economy is in a very good state. Just 3% think it’s in a quite good stateTwo-thirds think things will get worse over the next yearYouGov found some individual measures like reducing energy bills, a freeze on rail fairs and gambling and mansion taxes are popular @LukeTryl says the budget prioritised Labour MPs and the markets over voters because that’s what mattered for Starmer and Reeves’ short-term survival
 
Everton Carr said:
Could be but probably isnt.On Knighton Park which is 90% Muslim very common to see a mother with 4\5 kids
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Given you hang around Knighton Park, you could ask?

They could be all her kids…or she’s doing a favour for a friend / family relative, & looking after theirs too…or she’s a childminder.

Nah sod that - let’s choose a pic to perpetuate the hate towards Muslims…& if it ends up extending to the dislike of non-white people generally, then all the better.
 
Mistryman said:
Given you hang around Knighton Park, you could ask?

They could be all her kids…or she’s doing a favour for a friend / family relative, & looking after theirs too…or she’s a childminder.

Nah sod that - let’s choose a pic to perpetuate the hate towards Muslims…& if it ends up extending to the dislike of non-white people generally, then all the better.
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Yep just go up to a random stranger and say excuse me are they all your all kids.Totally normal thing to do
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
There's always someone takes advantage of any system. You don't seem to be so angry about millionaires avoiding tax.
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No because I am not a lefty and I'm not all bitter and twisted about people that are wealthy.

It's not the fault of rich people that there is tax avoidance schemes. Tax avoidance is not illegal unlike tax evasion.
If Labour were that concerned about it
then why don't they close the loopholes?
Although that might upset Lord Sainsbury......

Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
The 2 child benefit cap had no effect on the number of people having more than 2 children, so it was basically punishing children born into poverty. But all lives matter, eh?
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Can you define what poverty is ?

My cousin has hardly ever worked, she never married but had 3 sons.
She goes on holidays, she drives a decent car, her property is reasonably well furnished and she most certainly isn't under nourished .
2 of her 3 sons have also hardly ever worked.
They also look like they are far from being desperate.
Between them they've contributed more a less nothing to society, yet muggins here gets up at 4 in the morning and drives 40 miles to work to do a very physical job.
I don't see poverty with my cousin and her sons, I just see lazy sponging benefit grabbing scroungers.

Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Where do you think their extra money will go? All back into the economy. Where do rich people put their extra money? Offshore accounts. Very patriotic.
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If it's legal then why shouldn't they want to protect their money?
Believe it or not there are rich people that have worked hard to make their fortune, so why do you seem to assume that they are all people who are entitled and undeserving ?
 
The rich pay a lot of tax.
The rich who inherit it should be taxed more.
The rich who set up a business from nothing and go on to employ thousands should not.

The normal who now won't set up a business because there's no upside will not become the rich who employ thousands of people.

The normal now won't even spin the wheel to set up a business that employs 5 people.

That is the problem.

It's not only totally unfair on those people, it's economically stupid.
 
Brauny said:
No because I am not a lefty and I'm not all bitter and twisted about people that are wealthy.

It's not the fault of rich people that there is tax avoidance schemes. Tax avoidance is not illegal unlike tax evasion.
If Labour were that concerned about it
then why don't they close the loopholes?
Although that might upset Lord Sainsbury......



Can you define what poverty is ?

My cousin has hardly ever worked, she never married but had 3 sons.
She goes on holidays, she drives a decent car, her property is reasonably well furnished and she most certainly isn't under nourished .
2 of her 3 sons have also hardly ever worked.
They also look like they are far from being desperate.
Between them they've contributed more a less nothing to society, yet muggins here gets up at 4 in the morning and drives 40 miles to work to do a very physical job.
I don't see poverty with my cousin and her sons, I just see lazy sponging benefit grabbing scroungers.



If it's legal then why shouldn't they want to protect their money?
Believe it or not there are rich people that have worked hard to make their fortune, so why do you seem to assume that they are all people who are entitled and undeserving ?
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As I've already said, there will always be some who play the system. I'm not bitter about people being rich, I just believe in those can afford to contributing more. Yes, that should have been what the budget took care of, but you defend rich people and want to punish children for the decisions of their parents. The 2 child cap made no difference to the number people having more than 2 children. You appear to tar everyone with the same brush, based on anecdotal evidence of someone you know. Sounds bitter to me.
 
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