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MrTeabreak

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To me a pandemic is a huge increase in deaths, the constant sound of an Ambulance and the nightingale Hospitals actually being used. If you take the death figures from the Government sites and compare it, like for like against previous years then this was no pandemic. Argue all you like most here will never accept it whatever the evidence presented.
The Oxford english dictionary doesn't care what you think a pandemic means. There's a clear and concise definition
Do you people make it up as you go along?
"To me speeding is 120mph not the 70mph posted on the sign officer".

And there are plenty of govt sites/figures that show excess deaths taking into account other factors compared to years without.
There is clear and unequivocal evidence of excess deaths due to CV19 whether you believe the facts or not.
 

Foxgolfer

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Well Leicester is part of the world Pandemic as is the UK, The Indian problem you keep telling us about has less deaths per thousand than us at our peak, 27000 people die everyday there. Stop trying to make this more than it is, the figures do not add up. Deaths went up in India after the lockdown some due to starvation because they could not get food. Covid has never been the biggest killer in the UK or India but we have closed down the world for it. wake up !!!
I’m wide awake thanks . You do know at 300000+ infections a day the impact on India is only just beginning ?
 

Foxgolfer

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i agree the second lockdown was nothing like the first, but it still had huge restrictions.

was christmas anything like normal? did you see as many people as you would normally at christmas? from november till april did you go out to the pub? to the cinema? have you been to the football since february 2020? you know, all those normal activities that we've done every other year? and yet the excess death rate was still miles higher (regardless of willful sleight of hand - or simply having a limited understanding of maths - by treying to average out across two years - when the calculation is already based on a rolling average of the previous 5 years).

my point here is simple: with all those undeniable restrictions it was still way above where it should be, so no-one can say it has been normal.
Apparently Dickie doesn’t get out much and didnt know there were any restrictions according to an earlier classic post
 

AFCDorset

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i agree the second lockdown was nothing like the first, but it still had huge restrictions.

was christmas anything like normal? did you see as many people as you would normally at christmas? from november till april did you go out to the pub? to the cinema? have you been to the football since february 2020? you know, all those normal activities that we've done every other year? and yet the excess death rate was still miles higher (regardless of willful sleight of hand - or simply having a limited understanding of maths - by treying to average out across two years - when the calculation is already based on a rolling average of the previous 5 years).

my point here is simple: with all those undeniable restrictions it was still way above where it should be, so no-one can say it has been normal.
OK. Here is my point.Screenshot 2021-03-25 at 00.51.48.png
The above shows the England and Wales death rates, by year. They are adjusted for population and age and, by general consensus, are the most accurate measure for comparing deaths, year on year.

As has been explained elsewhere, there was no 'flu season at all in 2019 but two in 2020, hence the big difference in 2019 and 2020 figures. Averaging deaths over the two years give a figure almost identical to 2016, 2017 and 2018 and slightly below 2015.

However you look at them, the numbers are not exceptional.
 

Running Fox

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The Oxford english dictionary doesn't care what you think a pandemic means. There's a clear and concise definition
Do you people make it up as you go along?
"To me speeding is 120mph not the 70mph posted on the sign officer".

And there are plenty of govt sites/figures that show excess deaths taking into account other factors compared to years without.
There is clear and unequivocal evidence of excess deaths due to CV19 whether you believe the facts or not.
Pandemic-Prevalent-( widespread ), (in a particular area or at a particular time Oxford English dictionary) that area can be England the world or Wigston. The figures on the government sites do not prove a significant increase fact not opinion.
 

bnet

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Go onto YouTube and search Dr John Lee from 2 days ago. He covers all these points.

I can’t do the link on this phone

worth watching and its
 

Mistryman

Bill Poster
l didn't say that did l. You just lie all the time.

You know l said Youtube is heavily censored. You are dishonest constantly !
If it’s censored, then you it must be concluded that it’s no longer credible.

We’ll see if it’s credible the next time...
 

Foxgolfer

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Trump won? Biden isn't president?
Barmybnet hasn’t posted pretty much anything on here which is the truth .
That’s not to say HE is lying because the saddest thing of all is there is a human being waking around on his own who actuallly believes the lies he spouts .
 
I watched it. He is wrong about death rates being higher, however you want to interpret them. What's wrong with accumulating seasonal deaths? They happened, winter goes across one year and into the next. 2020 clearly has more deaths than the 5 year average. You can't compare it with one year 20 years ago as medical science has improved and age expectancy has increased.

One key thing for me though. He mentions vaccines quite a few times, saying how successful they've been. How does that sit with you, or are you just cherry-picking the bits you agree with?
 

bnet

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I watched it. He is wrong about death rates being higher, however you want to interpret them. What's wrong with accumulating seasonal deaths? They happened, winter goes across one year and into the next. 2020 clearly has more deaths than the 5 year average. You can't compare it with one year 20 years ago as medical science has improved and age expectancy has increased.

One key thing for me though. He mentions vaccines quite a few times, saying how successful they've been. How does that sit with you, or are you just cherry-picking the bits you agree with?
its not my gospel ffs.

You don't get that do you, its not all or nothing. What you are doing by believing that is showing how you don't have the ability to think for yourself. People who are still able to free think take parts from various information streams and work out the best they can, the truth. You won't even understand what I've just said !!!
 

bnet

Bill Poster
I watched it. He is wrong about death rates being higher, however you want to interpret them. What's wrong with accumulating seasonal deaths? They happened, winter goes across one year and into the next. 2020 clearly has more deaths than the 5 year average. You can't compare it with one year 20 years ago as medical science has improved and age expectancy has increased.

One key thing for me though. He mentions vaccines quite a few times, saying how successful they've been. How does that sit with you, or are you just cherry-picking the bits you agree with?
congradulations on making the effort though, most of the other morons won't.
 
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