Lozfox1978
The eternal pessimist
having another nightmare
Slabhead
- Thread starter Lozfox1978
- Start date
ClaphamFox
Roofer
Harsh but true
TartanFox
Roofer
TartanFox
Roofer
Listening to all the UK pundits trying to defend Harry Maguire is quite something. The much maligned Karen Carney, with her degree in Sports Science and her Masters in Sports Psychology, had Chris Sutton on toast last night explaining why HM isn't the leader he's being made out to be.
All Sutton could respond with was I've seen him lead with my own eyes, but couldn't expand on what that actually meant. Like most domestic players, they're over-hyped. Not HMs fault, and we gained massively as a result.
b75fox
Roofer
Sutton isn't very clever...in the almost two hours of Manure phone in AKA 606 after their loss, he was digging himself a deeper and deeper hole. He actually made Savage sound intelligent....all to do with whether Ronaldo was to blame for the drubbing....
TartanFox
Roofer
Sutton has fallen in to the trap of over playing his character. I quite like the deadpan delivery, but it’s taken a new overblown form and now he comes across as a twat.
Carney provided some brilliant analysis on Monday night, stating as the BBC pitch side pundit during the Euros she saw close up that Maguire, nor Shaw, were talkers on the pitch and HM needed others to help share the leadership burden.
All Sutton and Richards could say was Ronaldo is a leader. Not one pundit seems prepared to stick there neck out and suggest that perhaps the Ronaldo signing has completely undermined both the manager and the dressing room. The sycophancy around his signing is nauseating.
Carney provided some brilliant analysis on Monday night, stating as the BBC pitch side pundit during the Euros she saw close up that Maguire, nor Shaw, were talkers on the pitch and HM needed others to help share the leadership burden.
All Sutton and Richards could say was Ronaldo is a leader. Not one pundit seems prepared to stick there neck out and suggest that perhaps the Ronaldo signing has completely undermined both the manager and the dressing room. The sycophancy around his signing is nauseating.
glosfox
"A picture of sartorial elegance!"
Tartan,
You are without doubt the voice of reason on this board.
I find myself nodding in agreement to your reasoned responses to statements in threads.
Such erudite and succinct posts.
It will never catch on!
Oadlad
Roofer
Mostly rubbish on here. HM is a good player; he was when here and his ability has not diminished. He has gone to a club where every player they signed recently has been ruined by poor management. I bet if he moved to many other Premier and continental clubs he would get his form back.
It might seem clever to suggest we somehow diddled them but they are responsible for his demise with all the others.
Their policy of thinking that you simply have to spend big and everything will sort itself out as their absent owners seem to think is the real point which we ought to find most satisfying.
It might seem clever to suggest we somehow diddled them but they are responsible for his demise with all the others.
Their policy of thinking that you simply have to spend big and everything will sort itself out as their absent owners seem to think is the real point which we ought to find most satisfying.
LGFOX
Roofer
We didn’t diddle them. We took a massive chance that Söyüncü would step up to the plate. They bought at the last minute in the window giving us no time to replace HM. Where the ‘diddle’ might have happened is that they paid a world record fee for a defender and importantly it was I believe all up front. It was their Akinbiyi moment.
HM is a very decent defender. Just because he was the most expensive doesn’t make him the best as we all know. He’s far from that. As Tartan correctly said he’s not a leader either. He shouldn’t be the captain also IMO.
Last edited:
Oadlad
Roofer
Like I said, we didn't sell them a pup, they just have too much money and they thought (think) it was all that was needed. Caveat Emptor.
I think Tartan is wrong, HM showed clear leadership qualities here and with England.
He, with others there has lost his way.
I realise that many on here have an employer mentality and seek to lump any difficulties on individuals in the 'workforce' but it is clear to me that there is a massive owner/management failure there which will be finally acknowledged when the hapless OGS is sacked.
As we have to follow a different path to be at the top end of the league from the big boys it is always going to be amusing to see some of them (Arsenal, Spurs, ManU ) get it wrong but that is always owner/management failings.
I think Tartan is wrong, HM showed clear leadership qualities here and with England.
He, with others there has lost his way.
I realise that many on here have an employer mentality and seek to lump any difficulties on individuals in the 'workforce' but it is clear to me that there is a massive owner/management failure there which will be finally acknowledged when the hapless OGS is sacked.
As we have to follow a different path to be at the top end of the league from the big boys it is always going to be amusing to see some of them (Arsenal, Spurs, ManU ) get it wrong but that is always owner/management failings.
haardaarss
Registered
I think what people are trying to say is that ManUre have signed the boy Maguire and have made a sow's ear out of a silk(ish) purse.
haardaarss
Registered
He needs to sort his hair out. Seems to spend too much time trying to keep it out of his eyes.
Oadlad
Roofer
I'd have him back in a flash. Good coaching and tactical nous would soon turn him back to form.
I think we miss his goal threat at set pieces and defensive ability at corners etc.
I wasn't aware of any positional shortcomings either. At some stage we will need to replace the mighty Jonny...
I think we miss his goal threat at set pieces and defensive ability at corners etc.
I wasn't aware of any positional shortcomings either. At some stage we will need to replace the mighty Jonny...
Hampshirefox
Roofer
He did. Against rubbish teams until Croatia.
Two trophies to the good
DagenhamFox
Blue Roofer
We didn’t sell them a pup we sold them a decent player. But he is no defensive leader like Evans is and he was not the finished article. He still isn’t. For £80 million they would have expected this. Expected someone better.
We had their pants down and would do it again if we were to wind the clock back.
RegiRoka
Roofer
Hard to argue with that. He was a decent player, and in time, if he can get through all of this and mature, he should be a very good player.
I had a few pints with a Man U fan at the time. He was telling me how great their defence was, and how Harry would slot in and be fully supported by the rest of the defence. What can you say to that? I smiled and got another pint in.