Real life scenario...Tier4 restrictions

sixthswan said:
I've used your words. The only new one was Randism.

Which is Objectivism; that is often seen as a counter to the moral relativism, that you mentioned.
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Sorry, I'm a bit new to some of this this, particularly the theory. My interest in such matters has only recently emerged, in the last year or two in fact.

As I often say, I am a pragmatist not a political theorist. I became a bit disturbed when the political correctness that we have been living with for some time, started to get personal and violent, mostly driven by left wing organisations (that I, perhaps wrongly, term Marxist).

Most obvious examples include, Momentum intimidating councillors and junior MPs, instigating 'no platforming' and 'cancel culture' against anyone in public life who speaks against the narrative and abusing anyone who has views they do not approve.

I was also disturbed by the political nature of the policing in this country that lead to the farce of 'taking the knee' to BLM demonstrators, I found all these things troubling so started looking into them. Perhaps unusually, I am looking 'backwards', starting with what is happening 'at street level' and working back towards the 'theory'.


Randism - is that anything to do with James Randi?
 
Richardvanles said:
I have no issue with the original message of black lives matter. Sorry maybe I should have said I fully support the original message of black lives matter. My objections are it is being funded by the very establishment that has engrained in our culture over the years that somehow black lives don't matter as much.
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Something we agree one for once then. I think a lot of people (possibly deliberately) put it all under the Black Lives Matter umbrella and say it's Marxist or funded by Soros, therefore wanting to take over.

Richardvanles said:
It's all about division and compliance, just look around.
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Also agree on that.

I'm off to get my temperature checked.
 
Police should have never taken the knee. They are non political and should not be used to make a political statement even if they wanted to personally.
 
Richardvanles said:
I'm off to get my temperature checked.


Oddly enough me to, and a quick test.
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Just a word of caution! If it involves someone pointing a laser at your head ? Tell them to point it at your wrist or arm above your elbow. more accurate and less harmful to your brain, common sense but what do they care.
 
Running Fox said:
Police should have never taken the knee. They are non political and should not be used to make a political statement even if they wanted to personally.
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Running Fox said:
Just a word of caution! If it involves someone pointing a laser at your head ? Tell them to point it at your wrist or arm above your elbow. more accurate and less harmful to your brain, common sense but what do they care.
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I'm getting my wife to do it with a covid test kit. Result in 20 mins apparently. For my temperature she sticks something in my ear. Probably a wet finger 🙂
 
sixthswan said:
I share your dislike of political correctness, cancel culture and BLM.

Some reading for you:

Objectivism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Ahhh, Ayn Rand, I should have known.

As I said, I am pretty light on theory, more into the practical everyday stuff, that is partly deliberate too, goes back to the time I was seeing a sociology student.

I find too much of the theory constrains my thoughts, as a political non Euclidian I prefer to look at what is actually happing and the consequences these actions bring in the real world and make up my own mind from there. This does give me ideas that stray quite a way from the mainstream but allows me to take on board (and sometimes even form) ideas that take from a number of different 'philosophies'.

For example, I am a free trade, free speech, stand on your own two feet sort of person, but one who is happy to see a government implement some socialist policies that help people who find themselves in genuinely difficult circumstances, even if it is my taxes that are paying for it. I am totally comfortable with that, though I fervently believe that running a country based on socialist principals is suicidal.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
BLM isn't political, same as wearing a poppy isn't.
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Joking aside, if it's not a political organisation it should be. Because the reality is it shouldn't be targeting individual members of the public to challenge it should be establishment bodies who processes either overtly or covertly have treated black people differently to white people and that's where the real issues lie.
 
Richardvanles said:
Joking aside, if it's not a political organisation it should be. Because the reality is it shouldn't be targeting individual members of the public to challenge it should be establishment bodies who processes either overtly or covertly have treated black people differently to white people and that's where the real issues lie.
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While I agree with your sentiment we seem a long way from a discussion about tiers.

Tier 4 will probably be a distant memory by 8.15 tonight. And probably the football season too at this rate.
 
Supporting save the whale doesn’t mean you don’t respect other fishes
Donating to breast cancer charity doesn’t mean you don’t support prostate cancer charity
 
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