Compelling argument from a comedian.
Interesting contribution to the debate.
Meanwhile in the real world Labour keep losing
Raheem Sterling MBE
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Interesting contribution to the debate.
Meanwhile in the real world Labour keep losing
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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If everyone was as perfect as you I'm sure everything would be fine.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
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Can you substantiate this assertion please?Well as virtually every one of your posts in last few weeks involves advocating booing your own teams for daring to make a gesture of support for racial equality ( it’s not support for Marxism and you know that) and all your bile seems reserved for black players who dare to suggest such things as feeding kids might be a decent idea - I took a wild stab in the dark .
Nearly every post avocated booing my team?
Bile?
I have commented on Rashford once btw.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
A quick scrolll down first 4 pages of Booing the knee thread contains 3 direct and several others defending your position.
I am happy to withdraw the word bigot as I don’t know you .
Your approach to booing your own team for doing something they clearly feel strongly about stands . It stinks
Richardvanles
Roofer
I hope you’re not suggesting that we should pay or be punished for the sins of our fathers.
As a proud Englishman I’m well and truly fucked if someone mentions recompense for the Empire or given the fact that we have invaded 9 out of 10 countries in the world at some point.
AFCDorset
Roofer
Don't be silly.
Decide what you believe, behave decently to others and get on with your life. If that is perfection, then fine.
As I have said before, I am responsible for my own actions, I am not responsible for others. If I choose to help someone, as happens from time to time, that is my decision. If I choose to walk away, that too is my choice.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
Easy to judge others from your ivory tower.
Do you know someone who doesn't do that?
Richardvanles
Roofer
When you’ve nothing worthwhile saying it’s not a crime to keep your stupid gob shut you know.
AFCDorset
Roofer
Bull.
The only 'advantage' that my 'tower' confers, is that for the last 20 years or so I have not really had to rely on having a job. Yes I have 'worked' for much of that time but mostly without pressure and on my terms.
In that I have been privileged, I accept that but I will also point out that this has been earned over the previous 25 years of hard work, good decisions and great long term relationships with two very fine women.
Nothing clever, nothing that special, just common sense and keeping control of our lives. Most people do this, many more successfully than we ever did, never had a problem with that. I can see both sides of the coin.
Take your own advice
Richardvanles
Roofer
Still at it.
Shut up.
Richardvanles
Roofer
Some of your points are valid but for me it’s simple. If a kid is hungry you feed him/ her. The why and wherefore ain’t my concern.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
Irony meter explodes
AFCDorset
Roofer
Morning Richard. I actually have some sympathy for that viewpoint, in the moment it is very hard to argue against.
But sadly the reality is, that by others (including 'the state') taking responsibility for the parents failings, this kind of abuse is formalised, institutionalised and becomes acceptable, something I can not agree with.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
So parent(s) lose their jobs , get sick , etc etc . It’s their fault they struggle to afford food for their kids due to their ‘failings’ ?
And you think vaccinating against a dangerous disease is akin to death camps . You have some very strange ideas .
And you think vaccinating against a dangerous disease is akin to death camps . You have some very strange ideas .
This is drivel.
For someone that claims to be considered in his thinking, you should know very well that at times those that end up having to resort to handouts as meals for their kids, don't always fit into that 'lousy choices' group. It's as likely to be circumstances way out of their control, & it really is their last option.
You don't - you've just proved that.
Comedy gold
AFCDorset
Roofer
There are provisions that support people in such situations as you well know. The children are not a priority in some households.
Firstly the disease is really not that dangerous to most people, secondly effective therapies are available but you are not allowed to have them and thirdly the effects of the vaccine on your immune system, whatever they turn out to be, are irreversible.
There will be retribution on the anti-vaxxers, it is definitely coming.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
It doesn't always work that simply though does it? I assume you've never had to apply for Universal credit? Someone loses their job and makes a claim they don't get the money straight away.
You're tarring everyone with the same brush, but even then, you seem to be advocating punishing children for the mistakes of their parents in those cases where it does come down to poor choices.
As I said before, it's easy to be judgmental from your ivory tower. Some people lead complex lives, they've had shit upbringings, been abused, etc. Not an excuse but more things need to be taken into consideration than just "poor choices - let them starve"
AFCDorset
Roofer
Social policy is always complex and successive UK governments have done their best to make it not work. The system is shit, you know that and I know that.
I know that sometimes people get in real difficulties through no fault of there own and whilst a long way from perfect, the system catches most of those, particularly if their are children involved. Sadly it also encourages the breakup of families and a work shy, feckless lifestyle that some seem to embrace.
The countries social policy needs a radical overhaul, benefits are not the answer, education, in the broadest sense is. That too, for so many in this country is complete shit too.
Given all of the above, sensible people take charge of their own and their families lives and work things out for themselves, that so many manage to do exactly that shows the possibilities that we should be aiming for. Rely on the government for anything and you are already half way to being fucked.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
I just don’t get how a clearly bright bloke can increase the risk 10 fold of developing a debilitating disease or even death because he believes the equivalent of Auntie Doris’ Facebook page rather than the best scientific brains and all the empirical evidence about the safety and efficacy of a vaccine .
I have no problem with folks who refuse it as long as the consequences are clearly spelt out and you accept that certain areas of life may not be accessible to you .
That may mean travel and mass indoor events ( it’s hardly equivalent to being transported to a death camp )
What I find more difficult to forgive is that many are now occupying hospital beds unnecessarily which could have been used to treat some poor bugger who has been waiting in pain 2 years for a hip replacement.
AFCDorset
Roofer
In order.
There are therapeutics available that are at least as effective as the vaccine, totally safe both in the long and the short term and do not alter the response of your immune system. Why take the vaccine?
If you are vaccinated, the you are protected, the unvaccinated are no problem to you. If you are not protected, why take the vaccine?
Irony? I have documented the absurdly poor treatment that I got from the NHS over my heart issues, nothing to do with covid patients, there were virtually none in my area, 'covid protocols' will kill people, they damn hear killed me.