Pearson

Adders said:
Gerry all people are saying us he deserves some recognition for his part, nobody is saying he’s a super manager or anything like that but under him we got Walsh and shaky and all the sports science team.
I don’t know why people keep starting daft threads on here about Pearson especially now everything has been said.
You answer me one question without Pearson coming in and bringing in who he did do you think we would have won the league a straight yes or no?
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No with the qualification that when he got them he didn't know what to with them.
The Don on the other hand did.
Which illustrates the difference between knowing a player and managing a team
 
GTIF said:
No with the qualification that when he got them he didn't know what to with them.
The Don on the other hand did.
Which illustrates the difference between knowing a player and managing a team
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That weren’t my question Gerry it was would we have won it without Pearson Walsh shakey because that was his team.
If they hadn’t set foot in Leicester would we have won it?
 
Adders said:
Claudio himself admitted he never changed much when he came in and that was fantastic management from him he seen how they were set up and carried on from the previous year.
Obviously with Kante coming in who Walsh had lined up this took up to another level but the foundations were set.
Like I say I didn’t like the arrogance of Pearson the bullying etc but you can’t argue with the facts.
Thought I’d heard the last of debating about Pearson on here it’s been done to death now surely
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Adds, you're the one who keeps re-opening the debate with the ridiculous notion that because you say it's debate end, it's debate end. It isn't. You don't own that right.

LCFC were headed straight back down to div 2, steered by a punch drunk manager who seemed as if he had resigned himself and the team to providence and fate and was reeling in the world of the clueless. Luckily the players felt it worth trying something different.

The resurgence began at Arsenal in mid Feb, when it was clear we were playing a different style of football marshalled on the park by Cuchu. At first it didn't pay dividends, but we persevered and sure enough results turned from the beginning of April. Survival still heavily against the odds, we managed to carry through, but to me the abandonment of the Pearson stamp on our brand was the most telling aspect of that final third of the season.

Shane is correct, these days managers consult a recruitment group which pulls together the manager's list, their own scouted targets and the budget programme prior to discussions between the depts. Maybe it was NFP who suggested the signing of Vardy; it could have been as he may have known JV from Sheff Wed; it may not have been. We'll probably never know. However, what is end of debate is that that transfer is the finest piece of football business ever completed in the Premier League era; perhaps ever.

And while we're on the subject of Jamie Vardy, you refer to his book and seem to make the assumption that it endorses your take on this affair. I've just re-read The Great Escape chapter and what I inferred could be interpreted to mean the complete opposite: the man love between two Wendies versus the simmering resentment toward a player who 'had only been [at the Club] 5 minutes' and was earning £20,000/wk more than everyone else. As a future JV himself may have remarked at the time: 'Oooh, Wendy friends!'

His other complaint was that Cuchu 'was trying to take over'. Well, fucking good is what I say, coz it saved us. Irrespective, Jamie subsequently commented that he felt remorse at how he had treated EC and that with hindsight the Argentine had made a significant contribution to TGE.

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your not listening to what I’m saying Bruin non of you are I’m not arguing Pearson is a great manager he clearly wasn’t it’s the fact it was his team, Walsh and shakey and all the sports science team who were brought in by Pearson that he deserves credit for is what I’m saying.
The club didn’t bring Walsh in Pearson did it was his management team, that is all I’m trying to say really on the matter.
My argument was without this happening we wouldn’t have done it and of course not without Claudio.
These days things are different as Shane said the recruitment is done mostly by the club appointing someone but it wasn’t back then.
Sometimes in life we have to agree to disagree as well otherwise we keep going over old ground which is no what this is now.
 
TartanFox said:
Walked out on the club to join Hull.

Always overlooked that.
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Well how I remember it is that Mandaric rolled up to the directors box for a game with Sousa in tow... WTF?? Constructive dismissal in my book. I don't get the Pearson bashing on here, no he wasn't perfect and yes he made some PR blunders but I'd rather have had him haul us back from the abyss - in some style - as he did, than have a revolving door of 'nice guys' and still be in the Championship (or worse). Sheep or Red filth, for example. Right man at the time for our club and I will always respect him for his achievements here.
 
Adders said:
your not listening to what I’m saying Bruin non of you are I’m not arguing Pearson is a great manager he clearly wasn’t it’s the fact it was his team, Walsh and shakey and all the sports science team who were brought in by Pearson that he deserves credit for is what I’m saying.
The club didn’t bring Walsh in Pearson did it was his management team, that is all I’m trying to say really on the matter.
My argument was without this happening we wouldn’t have done it and of course not without Claudio.
These days things are different as Shane said the recruitment is done mostly by the club appointing someone but it wasn’t back then.
Sometimes in life we have to agree to disagree as well otherwise we keep going over old ground which is no what this is now.
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I am listening, but your argument is assumptive and simplistic. Yes, NFP brought in Walsh, but his role changed to Head of Recruitment and he was retained after Pearson's dismissal. So the management team as was, when NFP arrived was still in situ when he left, but with evolved roles - not the ones given by NFP. The whole dynamic changed with his departure.

Also c/f the Sports Sciences team of whom you speak. We did not have them under Mandaric, they were not brought in until the present owners took over, therefore it can be debated as to whether or not it was an idea initiated by a forward-looking board, or floated by the management team or even some other suitably positioned personnel eg David Rennie.

NFP's credentials as a manager have since been scattered to the wind with failure after failure, so we are left to believe that it must have been the people he brought with him who were those responsible for our success.

End of debate?

Anyway, you catching the 14.50 into Leicester today? If so, see you on the platform. ;)

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Like you say: don't take things on here too seriously. Neither of us have said anything we wouldn't on the train anyway. It's only a Q of outlook.

When you've seen decades of footie, it's only healthy to be reminded that not everything is exactly as you'd like to remember it. I'm sure NFP had some redeeming features, it's just that I have searched my cache and it's bare. Someone will jog my mind one day. 😁

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Which brings us back to my original point. How long has he got left at Brizzle City? The fans I know are more than underwhelmed.
 
Bruin said:
I am listening, but your argument is assumptive and simplistic. Yes, NFP brought in Walsh, but his role changed to Head of Recruitment and he was retained after Pearson's dismissal. So the management team as was, when NFP arrived was still in situ when he left, but with evolved roles - not the ones given by NFP. The whole dynamic changed with his departure.

Also c/f the Sports Sciences team of whom you speak. We did not have them under Mandaric, they were not brought in until the present owners took over, therefore it can be debated as to whether or not it was an idea initiated by a forward-looking board, or floated by the management team or even some other suitably positioned personnel eg David Rennie.

NFP's credentials as a manager have since been scattered to the wind with failure after failure, so we are left to believe that it must have been the people he brought with him who were those responsible for our success.

End of debate?

Anyway, you catching the 14.50 into Leicester today? If so, see you on the platform. ;)

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Don’t think we are disagreeing on much only the fact I give Nigel credit for his part in bringing his team and what happened under his stewardship overall.
It’s healthy debate Soho we would be absolutely fine on the train debating it although we’d probably both not as it’s been said now.
I think the main problem with anything regarding Pearson threads Is people automatically think anyone giving him credit thinks he was a great manager not the case with me and I suspect others just that his part was important in the great scale of things.
 
Rightly or wrongly, it was The Don who was in charge when we won the league, and I’m sure he is the one who still has the biggest smile on his face right now.
 
NFP did great to win us Div 1 at the first time of asking.
Thought he stumbled in Championship especially in play-offs on 2 occasions.
But great that he won the Championship finally.
Thought he was totally out of his depth in Premier League and if Cambiasso hadn't grabbed the initiative as regards tactics and playing style we would have gone straight back down with about 20 points.
Got to give him a fair degree of credit.
But there was plenty on the negative side.
 
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Won’t be very early Bruin tonight think the cabal are going to the globe though
I’ll make up for it Satdi 🍺🍺
 
Neither (or both!) NFP or CR can take the credit because the end result required both of them. NFP got a group of players to be a team and CR had the wiseness to know when not to disturb for his own ego but to build on what he already had.
 
Sohofox said:
NFP did great to win us Div 1 at the first time of asking.
Thought he stumbled in Championship especially in play-offs 2 years running.
But great that he won the Championship finally.
Thought he was totally out of his depth in Premier League and if Cambiasso hadn't grabbed the initiative as regards tactics and playing style we would have gone straight back down with about 20 points.
Got to give him a fair degree of credit.
But there was plenty on the negative side.
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Agree your sentiments but the 2 play-offs were 2010 and 2013.
 
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