Over 30 migrants dead in the Channel
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Take your tablets and go to bed
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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Hold on everyone, Clouseau has solved it. They deserved everything they got because the husband had the number of a smuggler.
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Foxgolfer
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I see Johnson is now begging the French to let our troops patrol French beaches to help us sort out our problem.
Taking back control
Imaging the French suggesting their army marching about on our beaches ?
When will this clown stop posturing and start trying to govern ?
Taking back control
Imaging the French suggesting their army marching about on our beaches ?
When will this clown stop posturing and start trying to govern ?
You should be praising himI see Johnson is now begging the French to let our troops patrol French beaches to help us sort out our problem.
Taking back control
Imaging the French suggesting their army marching about on our beaches ?
When will this clown stop posturing and start trying to govern ?
You want any Tom, Rafiq or Abdul to be allowed in anyway - thats they are doing
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Foxgolfer
Guest
You really think he gives a stuff about migration ?
He’s just playing people with your mindset rather than actually trying to solve the problem .
It’s clearly working .
Any idea why migration across the channel has doubled in last 2 years ? Everyone with a brain knew Johnson’s stupid Brexit would cause this . Own it . You voted for it .
Take off your blinkers . Would you expect our government to allow foreign troops on our beaches to stop people migrating to France if situation was reversed ?
Be honest . The clown knows the French can never accept that so he can blame this latest catastrophic fuck up on them and you lot will lap it up .
I say again - why are you bothered - you want to let them all in?
Answer the question
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Foxgolfer
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Not necessarily . Depends on the validity of the claim - you know following international law, as we are ( or were) a signatory, and world leading country when it comes to human rights .
We take few refugees compared to most other leading democracies .
So let’s develop a decent system to process these poor souls more quickly and humanely and we might stop children drowning on our shores .
This of course involves showing human compassion which would immediately give Farage and his grotesque bunch of xenophobic shrills the chance to shout “
sovereignty “ or “ invasion” or some other bollocks .
So this depressing saga will drag on and more will come via the current dangerous route.
Meanwhile the appalling Patel stuffs more restrictions on protests into her police and crime bill largely unnoticed
Now - what’s your solution ?
hackneyfox
Roofer
Best not ask that.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
No, build them on the grounds of the MPs that have 2nd or 3rd homes which they have claimed back on.
They didn't die on our shores. They died in French territorial waters after French police allowed them to take to sea without lifejackets, in an overloaded boat.
1. Rachid Redouane – one of the perpetrators of the 2017 London Bridge attacks, in which 11 people were killed and 48 injured (21 critically) – was a Moroccan-born failed asylum seeker. After having his 2009 claim for asylum rejected, he remained here before going on to live in Ireland three years later. He then returned and (alongside two others) committed a barbaric, horrendous and violent attack on Londoners who were just going about their daily lives.
2. A failed asylum seeker – Eltiona Skana – killed seven-year old Emily Jones by slitting her throat in Bolton on 22 March 2020. The perpetrator’s initial claim for asylum in 2014 was refused but the Home Office then granted her leave to remain in the UK until 2024. The perpetrator was cleared of murder on the basis of diminished responsibility.
3. Khairi Saadallahm – who shouted “Allahu akhbar” as he brutally murdered three men in a terror attack in Reading on 20 June 2020 – was a failed Libyan asylum seeker. Saadallah, who fled Libya in 2012, was given temporary leave to remain in 2018 despite already having amassing a string of criminal convictions and being a member of a banned terrorist group in Libya. Just two weeks prior to the attack the government said that his deportation was in the public interest but for legal reasons it could not happen.
4. Failed asylum claimant Azam Mangori – an Iraqi Kurd – was sentenced to life in prison for murdering 32-year-old Lorraine Cox in Exeter in September 2020 by smothering her with a T-shirt. He left Ms Cox’s body for a week in his flat before he dismembered her. Mangori was denied asylum in December 2018.
5. The Parson’s Green bomber – Iraqi asylum seeker Ahmed Hassan – came to Britain illegally in the back of lorry in 2015. Interviewed at an immigration centre in Croydon in January 2016, Mr Hassan, said: “They trained us how to kill. It was all religious based.” However, he was still able to claim asylum and was not removed from the UK before attempting to bomb a District Line tube train on 15 September 2017.
6. A Somalian double rapist was allowed to stay in the UK on human rights grounds after a judge said he would face ‘degrading’ treatment in his home country due to his mental health. The 49-year-old arrived in Britain in 2004 and claimed asylum, but he amassed eight convictions in the space of six years. Robbery, trying to pervert the course of justice. Raping two different women were among his offences. He used a knife during one of these crimes and was jailed for more than seven years. Now he has been allowed to stay here. But what about the safety of the public?
7. A Sudanese asylum seeker stabbed six people, including a police officer, while on a violent rampage in a hotel in Glasgow in June 2020.
8. An Afghan asylum seeker – Samiulahaq Akbari – tried to murder a complete stranger in Thornton Heath, London while ‘fuelled’ by a desire to kill English people. He was convicted of attempted murder over the rampage which took place on 8 January 2019, just 12 days after he was released from prison for another assault.
9. Kuwaiti hit and run driver – Hadi Hamid – who nearly killed two teenagers in Middlesbrough in October 2017 after ploughing into them with his car (and leaving with life-changing injuries) was allowed to stay in the UK – even though his refugee status was revoked. Hamid was sentenced to four years behind bars in February 2018 and was ordered to be deported, yet he was released from prison in October 2019 and has still not left.
10. Sudanese asylum seeker Karar Ali Karar savagely murdered 21-year-old Jodi Miller in Leeds in February 2019 by stabbing her 15 times in the head and body in an ‘explosive rage’ after she refused to have sex with him. He was jailed for life in August 2019. The question is – will he be forced to leave the UK upon leaving prison? Given the increasing failure to remove such people from the UK, it is looking unlikely.
11. Illegal Algerian immigrant Khaled Meridja, who reportedly entered Britain through France after hiding in the back of a lorry, was jailed for seven-and-a-half years in October 2019 for strangling and sexually assaulting a teenager.
12. Albanian Asdrit Kapaj- also known as the Wimbledon prowler – terrorised south west London with burglaries for a decade after also arriving in the UK in 1996 and falsely claiming to be a Kosovan refugee. After being granted indefinite leave to remain in 1999, he was refused naturalisation as a British citizen in 2011 on the grounds that he had lied about his nationality, meaning he should have been deported. He was jailed for 14 years in June 2019 after admitting to 25 charges of burglary and attempted burglary in which cash and valuables worth almost £500,000 were stolen in meticulously planned break-ins.
The recent deterioration in enforcement is the latest episode in a long-running problem.
Analysis by the Henry Jackson Society of convictions over the past 20 years identified 45 foreign nationals who served prison sentences for terror offences were allowed to remain in the UK after completing their jail terms, with many of the convicted terrorists being given permission to stay by the authorities after being granted asylum.
2. A failed asylum seeker – Eltiona Skana – killed seven-year old Emily Jones by slitting her throat in Bolton on 22 March 2020. The perpetrator’s initial claim for asylum in 2014 was refused but the Home Office then granted her leave to remain in the UK until 2024. The perpetrator was cleared of murder on the basis of diminished responsibility.
3. Khairi Saadallahm – who shouted “Allahu akhbar” as he brutally murdered three men in a terror attack in Reading on 20 June 2020 – was a failed Libyan asylum seeker. Saadallah, who fled Libya in 2012, was given temporary leave to remain in 2018 despite already having amassing a string of criminal convictions and being a member of a banned terrorist group in Libya. Just two weeks prior to the attack the government said that his deportation was in the public interest but for legal reasons it could not happen.
4. Failed asylum claimant Azam Mangori – an Iraqi Kurd – was sentenced to life in prison for murdering 32-year-old Lorraine Cox in Exeter in September 2020 by smothering her with a T-shirt. He left Ms Cox’s body for a week in his flat before he dismembered her. Mangori was denied asylum in December 2018.
5. The Parson’s Green bomber – Iraqi asylum seeker Ahmed Hassan – came to Britain illegally in the back of lorry in 2015. Interviewed at an immigration centre in Croydon in January 2016, Mr Hassan, said: “They trained us how to kill. It was all religious based.” However, he was still able to claim asylum and was not removed from the UK before attempting to bomb a District Line tube train on 15 September 2017.
6. A Somalian double rapist was allowed to stay in the UK on human rights grounds after a judge said he would face ‘degrading’ treatment in his home country due to his mental health. The 49-year-old arrived in Britain in 2004 and claimed asylum, but he amassed eight convictions in the space of six years. Robbery, trying to pervert the course of justice. Raping two different women were among his offences. He used a knife during one of these crimes and was jailed for more than seven years. Now he has been allowed to stay here. But what about the safety of the public?
7. A Sudanese asylum seeker stabbed six people, including a police officer, while on a violent rampage in a hotel in Glasgow in June 2020.
8. An Afghan asylum seeker – Samiulahaq Akbari – tried to murder a complete stranger in Thornton Heath, London while ‘fuelled’ by a desire to kill English people. He was convicted of attempted murder over the rampage which took place on 8 January 2019, just 12 days after he was released from prison for another assault.
9. Kuwaiti hit and run driver – Hadi Hamid – who nearly killed two teenagers in Middlesbrough in October 2017 after ploughing into them with his car (and leaving with life-changing injuries) was allowed to stay in the UK – even though his refugee status was revoked. Hamid was sentenced to four years behind bars in February 2018 and was ordered to be deported, yet he was released from prison in October 2019 and has still not left.
10. Sudanese asylum seeker Karar Ali Karar savagely murdered 21-year-old Jodi Miller in Leeds in February 2019 by stabbing her 15 times in the head and body in an ‘explosive rage’ after she refused to have sex with him. He was jailed for life in August 2019. The question is – will he be forced to leave the UK upon leaving prison? Given the increasing failure to remove such people from the UK, it is looking unlikely.
11. Illegal Algerian immigrant Khaled Meridja, who reportedly entered Britain through France after hiding in the back of a lorry, was jailed for seven-and-a-half years in October 2019 for strangling and sexually assaulting a teenager.
12. Albanian Asdrit Kapaj- also known as the Wimbledon prowler – terrorised south west London with burglaries for a decade after also arriving in the UK in 1996 and falsely claiming to be a Kosovan refugee. After being granted indefinite leave to remain in 1999, he was refused naturalisation as a British citizen in 2011 on the grounds that he had lied about his nationality, meaning he should have been deported. He was jailed for 14 years in June 2019 after admitting to 25 charges of burglary and attempted burglary in which cash and valuables worth almost £500,000 were stolen in meticulously planned break-ins.
The recent deterioration in enforcement is the latest episode in a long-running problem.
Analysis by the Henry Jackson Society of convictions over the past 20 years identified 45 foreign nationals who served prison sentences for terror offences were allowed to remain in the UK after completing their jail terms, with many of the convicted terrorists being given permission to stay by the authorities after being granted asylum.
Suspects without a German passport committed 35 percent of all crimes in Germany in 2019, which shows those with a migrant background represent a growing proportion of the country’s criminals, according to statistics released by the German Criminal Federal Police (BKA).
The crime statistics showed once again that those without a German passport are overrepresented as criminal suspects, with 2019’s proportion of foreign suspects showing a rise over last year’s figures.
While making up only 12 percent of the population, the proportion of foreigners among criminal suspects was 37 percent. In the case of murder, that proportion was even higher, with nearly 40 percent of suspects listed as “immigrants”.
Germany also saw an increase in sexual crimes in 2019, with 8,189 suspects listed as “non-German”, representing more than one in three sexual crimes (36 percent).
Of the 699,261 non-German suspects, approximately 38 percent were listed as people “with a migrant background,” according to statistics. Non-Germans with German passports made up most of the rest of suspects from that total.
Although overall crime is down in 2019, serious crimes like murder, sexual crimes, and grievous bodily harm all dramatically increased. Many crimes go unreported and according to the report, only 56 percent of crimes are solved, which means many suspects remain unidentified.
Police officers and officials were also increasingly assaulted in 2019, with 31 percent of the suspects listed as immigrants in cases involving resistance or assault on “officials on duty”. For assault cases involving “serious bodily harm”, 37 percent of suspects were immigrants.
Despite an increase in the proportion of crimes committed by immigrants, Germany’s federal government has mandated that officers partake in anti-racism courses.
Past reports have also shown similar alarming statistics. The 2019 “Criminality in the context of immigration” report pointed to a 102 percent increase in the number of Germans who were listed as victims of a crime committed by a member of the immigrant community, which includes all those who entered Germany under the asylum system. For example, in the category of “sexual offenses”, 3,261 Germans were victims in sexual crimes featuring an immigrant as the suspect while only 89 immigrants were victims of a German suspect.
The Federal Criminal Police Office’s (BKA) first quarter report for 2019 also showed that as a group, refugees, asylum seekers and individuals with no German residency who can’t be deported, known as Geduldete in German, are the most overrepresented group featuring criminal suspects in all of Germany.
With the majority of this group arriving in 2015 or later, they represented only 2 percent of the German population but accounted for 15 percent of cases of deadly violence and 12 percent of rape or sexual assault suspects.
Another report showed that in Berlin in 2016, half of all criminal suspects had no German passport.
The crime statistics showed once again that those without a German passport are overrepresented as criminal suspects, with 2019’s proportion of foreign suspects showing a rise over last year’s figures.
While making up only 12 percent of the population, the proportion of foreigners among criminal suspects was 37 percent. In the case of murder, that proportion was even higher, with nearly 40 percent of suspects listed as “immigrants”.
Germany also saw an increase in sexual crimes in 2019, with 8,189 suspects listed as “non-German”, representing more than one in three sexual crimes (36 percent).
Of the 699,261 non-German suspects, approximately 38 percent were listed as people “with a migrant background,” according to statistics. Non-Germans with German passports made up most of the rest of suspects from that total.
Although overall crime is down in 2019, serious crimes like murder, sexual crimes, and grievous bodily harm all dramatically increased. Many crimes go unreported and according to the report, only 56 percent of crimes are solved, which means many suspects remain unidentified.
Police officers and officials were also increasingly assaulted in 2019, with 31 percent of the suspects listed as immigrants in cases involving resistance or assault on “officials on duty”. For assault cases involving “serious bodily harm”, 37 percent of suspects were immigrants.
Despite an increase in the proportion of crimes committed by immigrants, Germany’s federal government has mandated that officers partake in anti-racism courses.
Past reports have also shown similar alarming statistics. The 2019 “Criminality in the context of immigration” report pointed to a 102 percent increase in the number of Germans who were listed as victims of a crime committed by a member of the immigrant community, which includes all those who entered Germany under the asylum system. For example, in the category of “sexual offenses”, 3,261 Germans were victims in sexual crimes featuring an immigrant as the suspect while only 89 immigrants were victims of a German suspect.
The Federal Criminal Police Office’s (BKA) first quarter report for 2019 also showed that as a group, refugees, asylum seekers and individuals with no German residency who can’t be deported, known as Geduldete in German, are the most overrepresented group featuring criminal suspects in all of Germany.
With the majority of this group arriving in 2015 or later, they represented only 2 percent of the German population but accounted for 15 percent of cases of deadly violence and 12 percent of rape or sexual assault suspects.
Another report showed that in Berlin in 2016, half of all criminal suspects had no German passport.
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Foxgolfer
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I asked the question . What’s your solution ?
A fixed annual quota of Asylum Seekers and Refugees. Proven family groups only. No young men or young men who claim to be children.
All applications to made overseas at nominated British Embassies outside of the EU.
If you cross the Channel on a dingy or in the back of a lorry - application automatically refused with no right of appeal. Immediate deportation. Bye bye
All failed asylum seekers living here (having failed in their applications) to be deported immediately. Bye bye
All refugees and asylum seekers (be they either failed or pending) who are living here and commit or have committed any crime - Immediate deportation. No appeal. Bye Bye
One right of appeal any decision to reject an asylum application. If it fails its straight to the airport and bye bye.
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Adumass
Bentleys Roofer
your solution is broadly the law as it currently stands - it mainly boils down to "instant deportation". but the big question is "to where?".
you closed our legal avenue to instantly deport to country of departure.
and given the content of your earlier post about germany, you can see why no-one else wants them returning to their own country, and will never agree to it.
its dead easy for every european nation to say "deport", but until someone is able to answer the question "to where?" we go round and round.
you closed our legal avenue to instantly deport to country of departure.
and given the content of your earlier post about germany, you can see why no-one else wants them returning to their own country, and will never agree to it.
its dead easy for every european nation to say "deport", but until someone is able to answer the question "to where?" we go round and round.
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Foxgolfer
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One can only hope European leaders can come together and sort something out soon . This posturing needs to stop
It is not the Law as it stands - if it was then why is it not being enforced?
The 'answer' is to deport them to whatever Country they claimed to come from.
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SardiniaFox
Guest
It was an EU law the UK chose to opt out of.
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SardiniaFox
Guest
Look up Dublin Regulation.
ec.europa.eu
Country responsible for asylum application (Dublin Regulation)
Every asylum application lodged within EU territory needs to be examined - each Member State must be able to determine if and when it is responsible for handling an asylum claim.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
What if they don't say where they come from?
Then no rights to asylum. they have to detail why they need safe haven. Most of them lie. If they claim to come from a dangerous place but their app fails then that's the place they get sent back to.
me thinks we will suddenly get some more truthful answers when they are on a plane to the third world shit hole they said they came from (but actually didnt)
soupsandwich
Roofer
The deep irony of Pen4 waving on this thread