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I'm not sure I get the Mavididi hate. I genuinely think this season he has been the one player (possibly alongside Skipp) who has shown any level of consistency and energy. He's accused of being lazy, yet with my own eyes hes tracked back more than Fats or Monga, and offered more threat and better link play with whoever our No10 is than people give him credit for. He isn't blessed with the same pace as Fatawu, but he doesn't shirk trying again and again to beat his man or get a cross or shot in. What I think most people point the finger at is his lazy, languid style on and off the ball. it looks arrogant or cocky but its just his body language. Its the same reason fans that hated Yakubu years back - give me a goalscoring Yakubu over a 'workhorse' Hume type.

Mavididi isn't the issue. The issue is Ayew is not a natural goalscorer, and Daka just doesn't anticipate the fall of the ball - he gets into the right spaces (something Ayew hasn't and never will), but he just isn't quick enough mentally and physically to finish the chances. With that level of chronic shite to deliver into I don't blame our wingers for struggling.
 
BobTheThrob said:
I'm not sure I get the Mavididi hate. I genuinely think this season he has been the one player (possibly alongside Skipp) who has shown any level of consistency and energy. He's accused of being lazy, yet with my own eyes hes tracked back more than Fats or Monga, and offered more threat and better link play with whoever our No10 is than people give him credit for. He isn't blessed with the same pace as Fatawu, but he doesn't shirk trying again and again to beat his man or get a cross or shot in. What I think most people point the finger at is his lazy, languid style on and off the ball. it looks arrogant or cocky but its just his body language. Its the same reason fans that hated Yakubu years back - give me a goalscoring Yakubu over a 'workhorse' Hume type.

Mavididi isn't the issue. The issue is Ayew is not a natural goalscorer, and Daka just doesn't anticipate the fall of the ball - he gets into the right spaces (something Ayew hasn't and never will), but he just isn't quick enough mentally and physically to finish the chances. With that level of chronic shite to deliver into I don't blame our wingers for struggling.
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Hello Stephy, how long have you been registered on here?
 
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BobTheThrob said:
I'm not sure I get the Mavididi hate. I genuinely think this season he has been the one player (possibly alongside Skipp) who has shown any level of consistency and energy. He's accused of being lazy, yet with my own eyes hes tracked back more than Fats or Monga, and offered more threat and better link play with whoever our No10 is than people give him credit for. He isn't blessed with the same pace as Fatawu, but he doesn't shirk trying again and again to beat his man or get a cross or shot in. What I think most people point the finger at is his lazy, languid style on and off the ball. it looks arrogant or cocky but its just his body language. Its the same reason fans that hated Yakubu years back - give me a goalscoring Yakubu over a 'workhorse' Hume type.

Mavididi isn't the issue. The issue is Ayew is not a natural goalscorer, and Daka just doesn't anticipate the fall of the ball - he gets into the right spaces (something Ayew hasn't and never will), but he just isn't quick enough mentally and physically to finish the chances. With that level of chronic shite to deliver into I don't blame our wingers for struggling.
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Hate?

It is just peoples opinions.

Unfortunately the facts don't support your "love".

Championship:
  • Matches: 30
  • Goals: 2
  • Assists: 1
  • Shots on target: 10
  • Yellow cards: 3
  • Red cards: 0
EFL Cup
  • Matches: 1
  • Goals: 0
  • Assists: 1
 
Trouble is he plays as if he’s got a massive chip on his shoulder.
It makes him come inside and shoot most times he gets the ball.
Predictable.
You might have seen him put the hard yards in sometimes - but it isn’t every time and that constitutes a rest lazy bastard.
 
Trouble is he plays as if he’s got a massive chip on his shoulder.
It makes him come inside and shoot most times he gets the ball.
Predictable.
You might have seen him put the hard yards in sometimes - but it isn’t every time and that constitutes a reet lazy b*****d.
 
wints said:
I don't get why none of our managers, of late, have allowed or encouraged our wingers to switch dudes occasionally, if only to give the opposition full backs something else to contemplate.
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Because the modern coaches and players are robots.
 
EMExile said:
Hate?

It is just peoples opinions.

Unfortunately the facts don't support your "love".

Championship:
  • Matches: 30
  • Goals: 2
  • Assists: 1
  • Shots on target: 10
  • Yellow cards: 3
  • Red cards: 0
EFL Cup
  • Matches: 1
  • Goals: 0
  • Assists: 1
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Show us a comparison with other players in this league pleae

Your 'facts' lack any context
 
EMExile said:
No, do it yourself.

The fact is he's got pretty poor numbers for an "attacking" player and has had very little impact on the 30 games played, apart from his unwillingness to "track back" on occasion that is.
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Poor?

Show me the numbers - you presented your 'facts' but it seems that your 'facts' are merely just an opinion
 
Pen4 said:
Poor?

Show me the numbers - you presented your 'facts' but it seems that your 'facts' are merely just an opinio
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Do you even know the difference between facts and an opinion?

If you do, then check the "facts" for yourself? They're quite damning in my "opinion"' 😉
 
BobTheThrob said:
I'm not sure I get the Mavididi hate. I genuinely think this season he has been the one player (possibly alongside Skipp) who has shown any level of consistency and energy. He's accused of being lazy, yet with my own eyes hes tracked back more than Fats or Monga, and offered more threat and better link play with whoever our No10 is than people give him credit for. He isn't blessed with the same pace as Fatawu, but he doesn't shirk trying again and again to beat his man or get a cross or shot in. What I think most people point the finger at is his lazy, languid style on and off the ball. it looks arrogant or cocky but its just his body language. Its the same reason fans that hated Yakubu years back - give me a goalscoring Yakubu over a 'workhorse' Hume type.

Mavididi isn't the issue. The issue is Ayew is not a natural goalscorer, and Daka just doesn't anticipate the fall of the ball - he gets into the right spaces (something Ayew hasn't and never will), but he just isn't quick enough mentally and physically to finish the chances. With that level of chronic shite to deliver into I don't blame our wingers for struggling.
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How many fans hated the Yak?
As I recall, almost everyone was dead chuffed to have a proven goalscorer playing for us. No-one expected him to be doing much more than hanging around to stick it away again!
 
I remember Maresca saying that he knew if Mavididi was going to have a good game by 3.01pm.
I always thought he should put his watch forward an hour, and immediately leave the useless fucker on the bench.
 
Compared to the rest of the divisions attacking midfielder and wingers he's above average (proven stastically) for the number of touches. The bit that dismisses completely the nonsense around him being lazy is that he is in the 70% percentile for defensive contributions. Meaning he's better defensively than 100-110 other players in this division player in his position defensively. He's also had 38 shots. The issue is he's needed too. Why? Because both he and Fatawu have nobody to deliver to in the box. To illustrate it further Fatawu for defensive contributions is statically 20-30 players lower than Mavididi. But hey don't let genuine facts get in the way huh.
 
There was a reason he’d not made it anywhere by the age of 25 and cost us £5m. He’s an excellent example of a modern footballer who has very limited skill, a poor mindset and average fitness. He’s come to a club where luckily for him there’s a DoF who is paying him 3+ more times money than he’d be on at any other championship club, making him a multi millionaire
Compared to other championship wingers I’ve seen this season who are probably on no more than £10/week he’s useless. Look at the WBA winger or that guy at QPR. Mind you I’m thinking even Mavididi would look like Messi against our left hand side.
 
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BobTheThrob said:
Compared to the rest of the divisions attacking midfielder and wingers he's above average (proven stastically) for the number of touches.
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That means nothing, what he does with all those touches is the important thing and I think you'll find it usually ends with him losing possessing one way or another.

BobTheThrob said:
The bit that dismisses completely the nonsense around him being lazy is that he is in the 70% percentile for defensive contributions. Meaning he's better defensively than 100-110 other players in this division player in his position defensively.
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"dismisses completely" Could you explain how this is measured? Does it include for instance trying to win back the ball when you have just lost possession?
BobTheThrob said:
He's also had 38 shots. The issue is he's needed too. Why? Because both he and Fatawu have nobody to deliver to in the box. To illustrate it further Fatawu for defensive contributions is statically 20-30 players lower than Mavididi. But hey don't let genuine facts get in the way huh.
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38 shots and 2 goals and 2 assists in 31 games. Fatawa on the other hand has had 78 shots scored 8 goals and provided 7 assists (so he must have delivered to someone?) in 32 games.

Bottom line is you can quote all the "stats" you want but I tend to believe what I see and I'm not alone.
 
BobTheThrob said:
Compared to the rest of the divisions attacking midfielder and wingers he's above average (proven stastically) for the number of touches. The bit that dismisses completely the nonsense around him being lazy is that he is in the 70% percentile for defensive contributions. Meaning he's better defensively than 100-110 other players in this division player in his position defensively. He's also had 38 shots. The issue is he's needed too. Why? Because both he and Fatawu have nobody to deliver to in the box. To illustrate it further Fatawu for defensive contributions is statically 20-30 players lower than Mavididi. But hey don't let genuine facts get in the way huh.
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So why are fatawu’s assist stats 600% higher than his this season?
 
hand_of_jod said:
Trouble is he plays as if he’s got a massive chip on his shoulder.
It makes him come inside and shoot most times he gets the ball.
Predictable.
You might have seen him put the hard yards in sometimes - but it isn’t every time and that constitutes a rest lazy bastard.
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Ask Luke about his tracking back.
 
essingtonblue said:
So why are fatawu’s assist stats 600% higher than his this season?
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The initial post, and what the majority of posters lazily trot out about Mavididi is that he is lazy. If his defensive stats are better than 100-120 players in the same position in this division, and 20-30 higher than Fatawu then not only are my eyes not deceiving but the stats back it up. I'm not challenging or discussing his assists or goals. Assist and goals have nothing to do with being lazy.
 
BobTheThrob said:
The initial post, and what the majority of posters lazily trot out about Mavididi is that he is lazy. If his defensive stats are better than 100-120 players in the same position in this division, and 20-30 higher than Fatawu then not only are my eyes not deceiving but the stats back it up. I'm not challenging or discussing his assists or goals. Assist and goals have nothing to do with being lazy.
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I just can’t see how he has stats that good, when most of the time he has gone to sleep and his man has got in behind him, and then he makes a half an attempt to get back, normally to late
 
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