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Club_B00k_Crutchless

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So yes let's let them all in. Don't worry about the fact that we are constantly ripping up green belt areas to build more and more housing for the ever increasing population. Don't worry about the fact that our road networks can't cope with the ever increasing volume of traffic. Don't worry that the NHS is creaking at the seams because of the pressure. Doctors surgeries ? How long do you wait ? Crime, how many times do you read the Mercury and see the person before a jury is not Joe, David, Pete, Gary ?
I don't have a problem with genuine persecuted refugees, but some of those crossing the channel come from African countries, did we bomb them ? Germany, France , Spain , Italy, Belgium, Holland, Austria, Switzerland, Portugal, Sweden, Finland, Norway, everyone a perfectly civilized nation, so why are we the destination of immigrants?
I don't have a problem with people who have fled because they feared for their lives, but that don't mean we have to accept being the world's dustbin for every person that's pissed off with their lot.
You've bought into the Tory line well. How about we tax the wealthy properly, stop the loopholes that enable companies from avoiding tax and spend money on services. No-one is saying they are in favour of unlimited immigration.
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Mistryman

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I don't have a problem with people who have fled because they feared for their lives, but that don't mean we have to accept being the world's dustbin for every person that's pissed off with their lot.
To counter this, I’d be happy to swap this country’s own shyte, for those immigrants that are willing to contribute to this country.
 

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Brauny

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You've bought into the Tory line well. How about we tax the wealthy properly, stop the loopholes that enable companies from avoiding tax and spend money on services. No-one is saying they are in favour of unlimited immigration.
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Bought into the the Tory line says the socialist , kinnel 🤣
What is wealthy ? Give me a figure that classifies you as wealthy ?
Are you jealous of those people who have worked hard to become 'wealthy' ?
 

SteveYork

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So yes let's let them all in. Don't worry about the fact that we are constantly ripping up green belt areas to build more and more housing for the ever increasing population. Don't worry about the fact that our road networks can't cope with the ever increasing volume of traffic. Don't worry that the NHS is creaking at the seams because of the pressure. Doctors surgeries ? How long do you wait ? Crime, how many times do you read the Mercury and see the person before a jury is not Joe, David, Pete, Gary ?
I don't have a problem with genuine persecuted refugees, but some of those crossing the channel come from African countries, did we bomb them ? Germany, France , Spain , Italy, Belgium, Holland, Austria, Switzerland, Portugal, Sweden, Finland, Norway, everyone a perfectly civilized nation, so why are we the destination of immigrants?
I don't have a problem with people who have fled because they feared for their lives, but that don't mean we have to accept being the world's dustbin for every person that's pissed off with their lot.
Nobody said anything about letting them all in. I was simply pointing out that, despite the impression that seems to be given, many/most of the asylum seekers etc reaching Europe don't end up up coming to (or trying to come to) the UK; they do in fact end up in one of those other civilised nations.
 

Richardvanles

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Great idea, we could bung them all in the spare rubber boats we have knocking about and tow them with the ferries
Try to understand rino, they’re not chasing our benefits, they’re running away from our bombs.
5 billion profit from arms sales or less immigrants. You can’t have both.
 

Mistryman

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Perhaps ensuring that English is the ‘go-to’ worldwide language & perpetuating the idea that Western ideals & way of living are the best, also contributes to the mindset to these poor souls that the UK is the place to be?
 

Foxgolfer

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Where do you get your information from then?

I like to think I cross reference many sources depending on the topic .

Will look at data sources from
the ONS , NHS, BMJ etc.

News is tricky but recent history suggests C4 news and ITN is far more reliable than BBC whose desperation to not upset the current regime has blown their impartiality.

If broadcast news isn’t regulated and subject to independent checks on its veracity why would you go anywhere near it ?

Hence the danger of Johnson pushing for the appalling Paul Dacre as chair of Ofcom .

Don’t read newspapers much but obviously avoid the Murdoch , Rothermere publications which are purely designed to protect the interests of the super rich and poison the public discourse to do so .
Hence the demonisation of minorities so we don’t notice what they are up to .

What I don’t rely on though but look through for a taste of what folks are thinking is Twitter , FB or unregulated video platforms full of gobs on sticks spreading BS for crowdfunding .

Important thing is to take nothing at face value and avoid the trap if thinking all MSM is somehow corrupt
 

What?

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Try to understand rino, they’re not chasing our benefits, they’re running away from our bombs
Couple of things Dicky;
How do I find out where the people in the boats originate from?
A significant proportion of them seem to be single young men, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect them to remain in their country to defend it from the aggressors?
If they're escaping our bombs etc doesn't it strike you as odd that they would want to come here unless it's to extract revenge
 

Richardvanles

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Couple of things Dicky;
How do I find out where the people in the boats originate from?
A significant proportion of them seem to be single young men, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect them to remain in their country to defend it from the aggressors?
If they're escaping our bombs etc doesn't it strike you as odd that they would want to come here unless it's to extract revenge
Stay and Defend their country? What are they going to do? Smash the bombs back with a tennis racket so no it wouldn’t be reasonable.
We make billions selling our weapons to countries that use them on the people in the countries of origin. Which you’re more than happy with. Wanting a safe place to live and bring up a family isn’t a crime. I’d look at those coming from Eton as their last port of call rather than those coming from France as their last port of call. They’re the ones that want watching.
 

Foxgolfer

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Could you show me which one says 160,000 people died in the pandemic and there are 12 million waiting for treatment on the NHS please

Apologies
144000 dead from Covid infection -( though some less reliable sources claim more)
5.3 million waiting for treatment -waiting time average 12 months .

I will endeavour to do better . Hardly nullifies my point about distraction though does it ?

Let’s demonise a few people in dinghies snd ignore the disasters this government are visiting on us

Note you didn’t question the broken election promises sleaze snd corruption
 

Foxgolfer

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Couple of things Dicky;
How do I find out where the people in the boats originate from?
A significant proportion of them seem to be single young men, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect them to remain in their country to defend it from the aggressors?
If they're escaping our bombs etc doesn't it strike you as odd that they would want to come here unless it's to extract revenge

Maybe most are young men as the strongest members of the family ? They’d hardly send out the old women and children( though tragically some are ) to take these terrible risks to establish a better life .
 

Foxgolfer

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And why other suckers are concerning themselves about people's wealth, nothing will change.
I don’t care how much people have but do get a tad annoyed when they steal from me to get rich .
You clearly don’t care how much they rip you off .
Keep doffing the cap eh ?
 

Brauny

Golden balls
Why won't it? If some party wants to tax these people to make a fairer system and spend some of that money on improved services they'll get my vote and probably a few others as well.

You can't define wealthy can you ?
What percentage of the population do these ' wealthy' people make up ?
I would suggest it's a very small percentage that will make very little difference in the grand scheme of things.
Do I support taxing them, absolutely, everyone should pay a proportionate amount imo, but making them cough up won't solve issues such as migration.
 

Foxgolfer

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And who exactly are stealing from you ?
one example

VIP lane for PPE contracts . Just a few hundred million of tax payers money siphoned off to pals of the Tory government .

Much of it to firms who had zero experience in supplying PPE while ignoring many who did .
 

Club_B00k_Crutchless

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You can't define wealthy can you ?
What percentage of the population do these ' wealthy' people make up ?
I would suggest it's a very small percentage that will make very little difference in the grand scheme of things.
Do I support taxing them, absolutely, everyone should pay a proportionate amount imo, but making them cough up won't solve issues such as migration.
I don't need to define it. They might not make up a sizeable proportion of the population but their wealth does.Screenshot_20211125_143141.jpg
 
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