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Here come the Unions

Almost all retail companies work "5 from 7" now without premium rates, that applies to people in shops and their distribution networks. I'm not saying it's right but it is a fact. If premium rates were paid for weekend working it would simply result in prices going up. Saturday working is not a new phenomenon most shops had "half day closing" during the week to compensate. Spin it however you want this is merely a response to public demand you can't just blame corporate greed. Sunday opening should never have happened but it has and we're stuck with it.
Worker's rights are being chipped away and some people just go along with it and have a go at unions. The more people shrug their shoulders and say it's just progress the worse it will get. Usually the same people who are happy to accept a pay rise negotiated by the union and go crying to them if they get in the shit with their employer.
 
A daily conversation :

Person A, Let's call him Rupert, sitting with a plate piled high with biscuits in front of him on the table.

Person B, Lets call him T.U.Ceeman, sitting at same table with one biscuit on his plate.

Person C, Let's call him Joseph Public, also at the table, also with one biscuit on his plate.

Rupert to Joseph, 'watch out Cobber, he's after yer biscuit mate'

Repeat for decades
 
A daily conversation :

Person A, Let's call him Rupert, sitting with a plate piled high with biscuits in front of him on the table.

Person B, Lets call him T.U.Ceeman, sitting at same table with one biscuit on his plate.

Person C, Let's call him Joseph Public, also at the table, also with one biscuit on his plate.

Rupert to Joseph, 'watch out Cobber, he's after yer biscuit mate'

Repeat for decades
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DagenhamFox

Blue Roofer
Shops being open 24/7 pretty much started the 7 days per week job cycle. We could never re-introduce it of course but it would be great if Sunday’s went back to being a day of rest.
 

HughJanus

Roofer
Worker's rights are being chipped away and some people just go along with it and have a go at unions. The more people shrug their shoulders and say it's just progress the worse it will get. Usually the same people who are happy to accept a pay rise negotiated by the union and go crying to them if they get in the shit with their employer.
Could you tell us which rights you are referring to?
Most people are not in a union
This thread started with the potential strike by rail workers, can you explain their grievances?
 
Could you tell us which rights you are referring to?
Most people are not in a union
This thread started with the potential strike by rail workers, can you explain their grievances?
Heard of zero hour contracts? Reduced sick pay, fewer holiday days, expectation to work beyond paid hours, etc. I'm sure you can find out for yourself why the train workers are considering strike action.
 

What?

Roofer
Heard of zero hour contracts? Reduced sick pay, fewer holiday days, expectation to work beyond paid hours, etc. I'm sure you can find out for yourself why the train workers are considering strike action.
Zero hour contracts were brought in as a result of agencies being forced to pay NI and holiday pay, overall nothing changed except they're employed directly now. I'm not suggesting it's acceptable but things haven't deteriorated. Who is getting fewer holidays? The right to 4 weeks plus bank holiday has been around for a long time and well over 20 years. Only well paid salaried staff work beyond paid hours and their package normally compensates that.

I understand that the rail workers believe they deserve more money but the problem is they have less customers so it's completely the wrong time to try and force things through
 

What?

Roofer
'most people are not in a union'?
I'm surprised, I was in the GMB for forty years and so we're most of my workmates.
Well it's a fact most people are not in unions, I think it's a pity because they can be very supportive of individuals and remarkably helpful to employers. The problem is if they're run by militants who's priorities are political it can quickly degenerate into silly squabbling rhetoric
 
Only well paid salaried staff work beyond paid hours and their package normally compensates that
Well I'm not particularly well paid and we're expected to say extra time if necessary "to reflect the needs of the service" but they've taken away Toil and don't pay us for it. I know many other people whose caseloads are so big it's not physically possible to do the work in the 35 to 40 hours per week they are paid for.
 

tudor_fox

Roofer
Now I'm a union man
Amazed at what I am
I say what I think, that the company stinks
Yes I'm a union man
When we meet in the local hall
I'll be voting with them all
With a hell of a shout, it's "Out brothers, out!"
And the rise of the factory's fall
 

What?

Roofer
Now I'm a union man
Amazed at what I am
I say what I think, that the company stinks
Yes I'm a union man
When we meet in the local hall
I'll be voting with them all
With a hell of a shout, it's "Out brothers, out!"
And the rise of the factory's fall
Strawbs?
 
I haven't noticed that many empty rush hour trains. Trains to leicester on Saturdays and midweek for games are packed.
Trains from Rugby to London on a Sunday afternoon have people standing the full length of them.
People are being pushed/bullied into going back to the office, Johnson with his 'they have more coffees' quote being an example.
Funny that, I get on the first off peak train to London 2 days a week and the car parks still half empty.
 

TopFox

Non-Member
Does everyone drive to the station?
Depends on whether you live in butt-fuck nowhere, and whether your missus is free willing and able to give you a lift twice a day, I guess. No-one is going to risk taking a rural bus to a rural train station to get to work on time, are they?
 
That's the crux isn't it. As far as I can tell, bus services in Leicester are appalling.

Aylestone/ Eyres Monsell aren't the butt fuck of nowhere, yet you can't get a bus on a Sunday night, indeed you can't get a bus back to Aylestone following a 4pm Sunday kick off.
Down here The Mayor still has control of public transport ,& overall it's pretty good.

Do the council have any say in public transport in Leicester? Or are they at the whim of the private companies?
 

HughJanus

Roofer
6.5 million people against 350K might make a difference. The busses are subsidised so the council dictate the service levels
 

TopFox

Non-Member
That's the crux isn't it. As far as I can tell, bus services in Leicester are appalling.

Aylestone/ Eyres Monsell aren't the butt fuck of nowhere, yet you can't get a bus on a Sunday night, indeed you can't get a bus back to Aylestone following a 4pm Sunday kick off.
Down here The Mayor still has control of public transport ,& overall it's pretty good.

Do the council have any say in public transport in Leicester? Or are they at the whim of the private companies?
From his previous posts, I dont think billsballbag lives on the Monsell?
All sorts of people get a taxi home from tescos with their shopping, and why wouldn't you when it costs people I know £4.50 to get from Gateshead into Newcastle by bus.
 
Does everyone drive to the station?
Most do, and before covid the car park was full. Maybe they’ve all gone and got bikes.

Mondays and Fridays it’s a third full. Maybe more people decide to ride their push bikes then.

I don’t know where they park them tho as the bike racks are empty.
 
From his previous posts, I dont think billsballbag lives on the Monsell?
All sorts of people get a taxi home from tescos with their shopping, and why wouldn't you when it costs people I know £4.50 to get from Gateshead into Newcastle by bus.
Exactly
 

DagenhamFox

Blue Roofer
That's the crux isn't it. As far as I can tell, bus services in Leicester are appalling.

Aylestone/ Eyres Monsell aren't the butt fuck of nowhere, yet you can't get a bus on a Sunday night, indeed you can't get a bus back to Aylestone following a 4pm Sunday kick off.
Down here The Mayor still has control of public transport ,& overall it's pretty good.

Do the council have any say in public transport in Leicester? Or are they at the whim of the private companies?
It’s worse in the villages no service to places like Fleckney on a Sunday.

Bring back the Fox Cub!!
 

DagenhamFox

Blue Roofer
Most do, and before covid the car park was full. Maybe they’ve all gone and got bikes.

Mondays and Fridays it’s a third full. Maybe more people decide to ride their push bikes then.

I don’t know where they park them tho as the bike racks are empty.
Mondays and Fridays are the busy days in London now, Hybrid working is definitely a thing for some companies and many work from home at either end of the working week. Others are happy for their staff to now work from home far more frequently especially those who live quite far out, Oxfordshire for example.
 
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