Greg Clarke

Filbo65 said:
I think it was on the 4pm news – might've been 3pm, if you want to listen on Sounds.
In short, he was saying he'd rather everyone concentrate on the more important matter – of saving football clubs from going bust, which is what the meeting was meant to be about. He acknowledged the challenge of all older generations keeping up with this year's PC term, and also cited the continuing South African use of the term 'coloured'.
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Well he's right on the first point but his point about 'older generations' doesn't hold as GC will have had awareness training and as I said above my parents wouldn't make mention of 'life style' or 'career choices'.
 
Filbo65 said:
So the Beeb think it's OK for that cunt Roan to add his words of wisdom to the story. Time for another email to them about him... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I was thinking exactly the same. He can be totally xenophobic towards our deceased ex chairman yet make the comments he did in this article. Two faced caaant. Makes me laugh how the beeb can tell everyone that offensive language is about to be used and up comes Roan. Unbelievable
 
hackneyfox said:
Well he's right on the first point but his point about 'older generations' doesn't hold as GC will have had awareness training and as I said above my parents wouldn't make mention of 'life style' or 'career choices'.
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Not having ever worked in that sort of world, I'll willingly take your word that he'll have had awareness training. How often, how recently, etc – I have no idea. But I'd imagine he had a few others things on his mind too; on one hand, whether he's going to be revealed as a bit of a caaant for his suspicious-sounding role in Power-Grab, on the other, how a grand-standing gang of self-important MPs are going to try and catch him out in order to make some or other petty point that helps their agendas.
So I – for one – fully accept that he or virtually anyone could get mixed up with what increasingly seems to be linguistic semantics. Yes, he's paid loads of cash to be in a position of responsibility. But really - People of colour. Coloured people. Is that really the most important item in the news today? Perhaps it is. Just a thought – Players of colour. Is that a permissible thing to say? I have no idea. I know I would struggle to describe a large cohort of players, not all of whom would naturally be described as 'black', if I was put on the spot. Is BAME the safe option? Again, I have no idea.
And I guess it's now not OK to say, for instance, that there are more chinese people working as chefs in chinese restaurants than there are afro-caribbeans - even though it was fine for Baroness Warsi on HIGNFY the other day to perpetuate the old racist cliche about asian parents insisting that their children study to be doctors or lawyers. TBH, I would be completely thrown if my next phone call from those helpful Microsoft technical people sounded like it was from someone from Jamaica...
I do feel old and out of touch before my time.
 
LGFOX said:
I was thinking exactly the same. He can be totally xenophobic towards our deceased ex chairman yet make the comments he did in this article. Two faced caaant. Makes me laugh how the beeb can tell everyone that offensive language is about to be used and up comes Roan. Unbelievable
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I don't recall anything xenophobic from the video I saw of his classless display that day – he was spouting groundless and disparaging theories about infidelity and hypocritical family values like some cheap, third-rate tabloid gossip-monger. And doing so with breath-taking insensitivity for the time and place that he found himself hanging around in.
That is why I keep telling the BBC that he is not a fit person to act as their chief sports correspondent. No slip of the tongue, no 'caught on the spot' amateurism, no semantics.
 
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My mum would say things that would make our Greg wince, but she's nearly 100 and they didn't do diversity awareness training when she was working as a shoe machinist in a sweatshop in the 1970's and 1980's. But Mr Clarke must surely have known better. Karma for all that Project Big Picture crap.
 
Sohofox said:
Yes but you can't say those things these days - especially when giving evidence to a Parliamentary Committee on diversity in sport!!!
Its almost like he did it deliberately.
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Seriously, have you done one of Hackers “diversity courses”. Youve gone from being one of the most ‘orrible, racist caants on the board to Mother Theresa, in a frighteningly short time!
 
Crucification of a man for a few I'll chosen words is dispicable, from the angelic press.

We used to cry as children when words were said that upset us but mother would say "take no
notice and they will go away
There is too much taken to heart when people say things that we do not like, but instead of turning the other cheek we make a highlight of.

The world is full of wrongs that barely see the light of day, the abuses of mankind goes relatively along at its own pace but we carry on.

Grandma's "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me"
Adage is good today as it was in my childhood
 
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Filbo65 said:
Not having ever worked in that sort of world, I'll willingly take your word that he'll have had awareness training. How often, how recently, etc – I have no idea. But I'd imagine he had a few others things on his mind too; on one hand, whether he's going to be revealed as a bit of a caaant for his suspicious-sounding role in Power-Grab, on the other, how a grand-standing gang of self-important MPs are going to try and catch him out in order to make some or other petty point that helps their agendas.
So I – for one – fully accept that he or virtually anyone could get mixed up with what increasingly seems to be linguistic semantics. Yes, he's paid loads of cash to be in a position of responsibility. But really - People of colour. Coloured people. Is that really the most important item in the news today? Perhaps it is. Just a thought – Players of colour. Is that a permissible thing to say? I have no idea. I know I would struggle to describe a large cohort of players, not all of whom would naturally be described as 'black', if I was put on the spot. Is BAME the safe option? Again, I have no idea.
And I guess it's now not OK to say, for instance, that there are more chinese people working as chefs in chinese restaurants than there are afro-caribbeans - even though it was fine for Baroness Warsi on HIGNFY the other day to perpetuate the old racist cliche about asian parents insisting that their children study to be doctors or lawyers. TBH, I would be completely thrown if my next phone call from those helpful Microsoft technical people sounded like it was from someone from Jamaica...
I do feel old and out of touch before my time.
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This might help you a bit Filbo

www.theguardian.com

Greg Clarke's comments are a massive problem – language has power | Marvin Sordell

The departing FA chairman and so many others have found it completely normal to use words that should only ever be deemed unacceptable and inappropriate
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Obviously a no quality news day yesterday and again today.

Having been brought up on Alf Garnet and Love thy neiborough, this case makes you smirk a little with what we had to endure in the day.

A sign of the times.
 
kendalfox said:
Crucification of a man for a few I'll chosen words is dispicable, from the angelic press.

We used to cry as children when words were said that upset us but mother would say "take no
notice and they will go away
There is too much taken to heart when people say things that we do not like, but instead of turning the other cheek we make a highlight of.

The world is full of wrongs that barely see the light of day, the abuses of mankind goes relatively along at its own pace but we carry on.

Grandma's "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me"
Adage is good today as it was in my childhood
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I suppose there might be a few Samaritans volunteers who might wish to beg to differ.
 
hackneyfox said:
That adage is as wrong today as it was back then. The vast majority of people won't remember the physical pain of being a child it's the emotional scars that they carry into adulthood.
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Depends on whether you let it play on your mind. I have seen things that no man should see, but if you let these things take over your mind then all is lost
 
kendalfox said:
The Big Picture though is where will it lead to, there are far more offensive matters going on in todays brutal world

Christ it was more peaceful In wartime than it is today,
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Once shook hands with him at Filbert St.. got hands like a bunch of bananas and a grip to crush coconuts with... Oops can I say that or will some twat say its racist ?
 
Apologies don't work anymore - there has to be a bloodletting for the outraged mob to be satisfied

Glad I don't make mistakes!
 
So, the only term we can use safely is BAME.
Does it mean from now on that any position in any walk of life has to include at least one representative of the BAME community ?
The next phase will claim that one is not fair, and it appears that no matter how many are included it won't be enough.
 
I was in the same class as him at Hamilton Secondary Modern School (a long time ago!) ... and used to go to Filbert Street with him. Sometime in the mid 70' he was escorted out of the ground by the Leicester constabulary for being a bit of a prat. I thought he was a decent enough bloke .. but really not sure where he got 'coloured' from that wasn't a term we used then and it's not a term someone in his position should use now!
 
Filbo65 said:
I don't recall anything xenophobic from the video I saw of his classless display that day – he was spouting groundless and disparaging theories about infidelity and hypocritical family values like some cheap, third-rate tabloid gossip-monger. And doing so with breath-taking insensitivity for the time and place that he found himself hanging around in.
That is why I keep telling the BBC that he is not a fit person to act as their chief sports correspondent. No slip of the tongue, no 'caught on the spot' amateurism, no semantics.
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Filbo. Apologies you’re right. He wasn’t xenophobic at all. For some reason I thought he said something along the lines of ‘what do you expect of a Thai billionaire................’
He never mentioned Thai.
I’m still though gobsmacked though that the BBC protected him over the incident when they’re so PC with everything else. He was however bang out of order on so many levels that IMO he should have gone
 
sixthswan said:
Can someone clarify.

Is "people of colour" OK, but "coloured" is not?

The former is used frequently in the media.

What's the difference? Honest question...
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It’s seriously becoming a bit of a problem for people like myself in the over 60’s group. I’m not racist one jot. Have black and Asian friends. But this new terminology can be a bit of a minefield. It’s bloody obvious what can’t be said which was quite ‘acceptable’ in the 60/70’s. But now? It’s apparently now not acceptable to ‘some’ to use the word BAME. Buts thats a relatively new phrase. Black? Er no. Coloured. No. People of colour yes. But for how long. I absolutely don’t want to make an issue but it’s getting pretty confusing. The irony to me. Spuds fans can sing ‘Yid Army’ despite probably the best part of 95% of them not being Jewish but you scream an obscenity to a black player and you’re out. ( for the record you should be, but I don’t understand why fans are allowed to sing Yid Army irrespective of their ethnicity.)
 
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