Foxes Trust and Safe Standing

I am fully in favour of safe standing at the King Power. It would be brilliant to have it in the areas where people stand already- L1, P and SK1. Would no doubt improve the atmosphere and can’t understand anyone who would be against it.
 
Not so long back I thought the idea of safe standing was a good idea. Safe standing would mean bigger attendances & more importantly cheaper tickets. That is all bollocks, as I have yet to see standing tickets (for anywhere) at a cheaper price than seats.
 
tudor_fox said:
Not so long back I thought the idea of safe standing was a good idea. Safe standing would mean bigger attendances & more importantly cheaper tickets. That is all bollocks, as I have yet to see standing tickets (for anywhere) at a cheaper price than seats.
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Why would you have thought it would mean bigger attendances and cheaper seats? It's not like there is no seat or smaller seats. Nor is there more than one person per seat and it would be the customer's choice whether to sit or stand (not that there is much choice when everybody else is standing).
 
buz_not_buzz said:
Why would you have thought it would mean bigger attendances and cheaper seats? It's not like there is no seat or smaller seats. Nor is there more than one person per seat and it would be the customer's choice whether to sit or stand (not that there is much choice when everybody else is standing).
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There is more space when its done in the German/Celtic model. The way it largely is here is just a bar infront of seats, a cop out version.
 
SemperEadem said:
There is more space when its done in the German/Celtic model. The way it largely is here is just a bar infront of seats, a cop out version.
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You mean when they can make a stand either standing or seating rather than both at the same time? I agree it's a cop out but I am not aware that anybody in England & Wales has pursued the alternative or what ground regs will allow.
 
buz_not_buzz said:
Why would you have thought it would mean bigger attendances and cheaper seats? It's not like there is no seat or smaller seats. Nor is there more than one person per seat and it would be the customer's choice whether to sit or stand (not that there is much choice when everybody else is standing).
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Buz, as I'm sure you are aware, standing used to be less than half the price of seats
 
tudor_fox said:
Buz, as I'm sure you are aware, standing used to be less than half the price of seats
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Sure and where terraces are still used there is still a price difference but I don't think there was ever any realistic chance of clubs reducing prices whilst demand was still there. I am sure they would argue too that it is the fans choice to stand when they have a perfectly good seat available. They might also argue that the rails will not be put in the more expensive seats so there will still be a difference. Personally I just want to stand so I don't care so much about paying the same.
 
tudor_fox said:
Not so long back I thought the idea of safe standing was a good idea. Safe standing would mean bigger attendances & more importantly cheaper tickets. That is all bollocks, as I have yet to see standing tickets (for anywhere) at a cheaper price than seats.
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Me too Tudor but still like the idea of rail seats
 
Everyone was standing in the lower tier at Arsenal on Saturday, as they always seem to do at away games.
Personally found it rather difficult to watch the whole match, especially when the ball was in the other half of the pitch.
When I first started watching Leicester in the late sixties, we always stood up, but, I don’t remember it being so difficult to follow the game.
 
buz_not_buzz said:
Oh, by the way, all of The Kop please. Not just SK1 & SK2.
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When we carried out our recent survey, the most popular response was:

.....The most popular option for safe standing was for it to cover SK1 and SK2, with 32% of Trust members and 29% of Non-trust members voting that way.

If you click on the full article below. there are links to the full survey results - see Q22 (members) & Q23 (non-members)

Foxes Trust Survey Results – Foxes Trust

foxestrust.co.uk foxestrust.co.uk
 
buz_not_buzz said:
You mean when they can make a stand either standing or seating rather than both at the same time?
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Yes. In Germany when it’s safe standing with the rail seats in situ (normally when they are on an upper tier, almost certainly for safety reasons) they squeeze maybe 50% more people in than the seated capacity. People stand zig zagged down each row. It’s a bit of an arse getting out and back at half time but it works and nobody complains.
 
Foxes Trust said:
When we carried out our recent survey, the most popular response was:

.....The most popular option for safe standing was for it to cover SK1 and SK2, with 32% of Trust members and 29% of Non-trust members voting that way.

If you click on the full article below. there are links to the full survey results - see Q22 (members) & Q23 (non-members)

Foxes Trust Survey Results – Foxes Trust

foxestrust.co.uk foxestrust.co.uk
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It should be for the whole Kop. If it was half, those seated in SK3 next to SK2 would not be able to see much down the East Stand side of the pitch with everyone stood up next to them.
 
Foxes Trust said:
When we carried out our recent survey, the most popular response was:

.....The most popular option for safe standing was for it to cover SK1 and SK2, with 32% of Trust members and 29% of Non-trust members voting that way.

If you click on the full article below. there are links to the full survey results - see Q22 (members) & Q23 (non-members)

Foxes Trust Survey Results – Foxes Trust

foxestrust.co.uk foxestrust.co.uk
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Yes, I know what the survey asked & what the responses said but to me it just demonstrates how timid & clueless "we" are. Leaving aside any emotive "a whole end looks better and would potentially generate more atmosphere" arguments (though true), SK1 & SK2 seems to me to be practically speaking a poor approach (as per Dagenham's post). It's seems to me it is either corners and/or whole ends and/or, if partial stands, whole width of an end a partial way down from back to front (the less of the width of an end = the less depth of rows included).

I get that the survey is your mandate and that consequently is the argument you will have to pursue (ironically to the point where if the club turn around and say "we're going to introduce it to the whole end" - not that they will - you'll probably have to fight against it) but I cannot agree with it as it will at best just lead to the club either having to keep the scale very small (i.e. not all of SK1 & SK2) and at worst to give the club an 'out' to not do it at all.
 
Because of the extra capacity in German stadiums it means ticket prices are less.

I do think in this country it’s a one seat / standing place per person law and for this reason I don’t think any club will reduce match day prices. I can’t see it changing any time soon. It will however help with atmosphere and I believe it already is at the clubs who have embraced this.

As I posted elsewhere in the forum in Filbo’s Southampton ticket request, away fans this season have been moved diagonally to the opposite side of the stadium into what was their family stand. The whole of that Northam stand is now safe standing. They have obviously had to piss off some of their fans by doing this.
 
DagenhamFox said:
Because of the extra capacity in German stadiums it means ticket prices are less.

I do think in this country it’s a one seat / standing place per person law and for this reason I don’t think any club will reduce match day prices. I can’t see it changing any time soon. It will however help with atmosphere and I believe it already is at the clubs who have embraced this.

As I posted elsewhere in the forum in Filbo’s Southampton ticket request, away fans this season have been moved diagonally to the opposite side of the stadium into what was their family stand. The whole of that Northam stand is now safe standing. They have obviously had to piss off some of their fans by doing this.
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It’s worth having a look at the Southampton video which goes through the changes they’ve made. It really gives a sense of how our club is playing catch up, and that they really need to get going instead of kicking the can down the road.

www.southamptonfc.com

Southampton confirm a number of stadium changes and upgrades for the 2024/25 season at St Mary's | Southampton FC | News

Southampton confirm a number of stadium changes and upgrades for the 2024/25 season at St Mary's | Southampton FC | News
www.southamptonfc.com www.southamptonfc.com
 
As Dags said the German stadiums allow 2 fans per place/platz meaning eg the Yellow Wall at Dortmund has a 28000 capacity at domestic games but just 14000 at European matches. If we ( I mean the PL) did that it add capacity immediately without extending the stadia, create a much better atmosphere and give the chance for the clubs to charge much less for those tickets giving the kids a chance to go. It’s so bloody simple
 
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FFS of course it's not so simple!
No-one, not just KP, can double their capacity on a whim without completely re-engineering means of escape, entry, circulation, services, and so on.
I can't imagine anything worse than trying to get in, have a piss, get to the back row, get down at half time, get back up, and get out before about 6pm if there was even just 20% more fuckers trying to all do the same thing...
 
Elsie Heffsey said:
It’s worth having a look at the Southampton video which goes through the changes they’ve made. It really gives a sense of how our club is playing catch up, and that they really need to get going instead of kicking the can down the road.

www.southamptonfc.com

Southampton confirm a number of stadium changes and upgrades for the 2024/25 season at St Mary's | Southampton FC | News

Southampton confirm a number of stadium changes and upgrades for the 2024/25 season at St Mary's | Southampton FC | News
www.southamptonfc.com www.southamptonfc.com
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And they seem to put fans first whereas our club is getting further and further away from us.
 
Borussia Park holds just over 54,000 with just over 16,000 standing on what we know as a normal terrace, not safe standing, most in the Nordkurve (home end) and also a small block for the away fans.

When they play in Europe and bolt seats into these sections the capacity is reduced by 7,800 so almost half.

What is interesting is Borussia designed the lower tier of the South end to also be strong enough and have big enough entrances and exits for that to also be made standing if necessary. It never has been and I believe will only be done so as an overall strategy one day.
 
Top said in 2016 celebrations were guna need a bigger ground but since then the boss and other folk sadly lost their lives rip all , 8 years on top has sadly taken on clowns and we’re no nearer , these morons can’t even see what a joke we are with money spent on clappers and a pre match play area honesty flags hoho and fk knows how many stewards to surround the pitch 5 mins from end when loads have left the ground after 80 mins , it’s more like a garden fate down there now with many ripped off over £50 for the experience , if they do go big they just get greedier , we need football people top so get rid of these fkwitz asap
 
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