Chilwell
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foxesneverquit
Member of the lark around club.
Was better going forward than defending.
Let's see how he does against better teams.
Yes Adders I am more than happy with our Timmy.
Let's see how he does against better teams.
Yes Adders I am more than happy with our Timmy.
Adders
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You been going down the boro George?
foxesneverquit
Member of the lark around club.
No mate.
Last game I saw live was our win over The Villa in March.
Atherstone have not started too well, but there is plenty of time.
Last game I saw live was our win over The Villa in March.
Atherstone have not started too well, but there is plenty of time.
swabianfox
Rare Continental Breed
Good for him: he wanted to leave but didn't cause friction, and good performances will help his career.
Good for us, too: we've got a very decent amount of money for him, and the replacement has made a very good start, too!
So, all in all everybody should be happy, no?
Good for us, too: we've got a very decent amount of money for him, and the replacement has made a very good start, too!
So, all in all everybody should be happy, no?
Yes spot on
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Foxgolfer
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Never got the hate of Chilwell . Always thought he gave us huge amount going forward and better defensively than many. Pleased we have replacement who is not going to weaken us . Move on .
Adders
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Yes definitely mate but some people cant accept being
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JamesWillis
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Seems to have learnt to cross all of a sudden.
I did see one stat early in the game that he’d lost possession 5 times already.
palace hardly tested him
I did see one stat early in the game that he’d lost possession 5 times already.
palace hardly tested him
Filbo65
Thatched roofer
One game does not a legend make.
But I think he'll do OK there, and should benefit from playing with his new team-mates.
He may also benefit from better coaching than we have lavished upon him.
I won't be holding my breath for him to start using his right foot, or becoming the sort of confidence-instilling leader in the back line which CFC fans seem to be expecting him to be.
What Thorney says.
But I think he'll do OK there, and should benefit from playing with his new team-mates.
He may also benefit from better coaching than we have lavished upon him.
I won't be holding my breath for him to start using his right foot, or becoming the sort of confidence-instilling leader in the back line which CFC fans seem to be expecting him to be.
What Thorney says.
Bruin
Roofer
Intrigued as to why you believe that the coaching at Chelsea may be better than that at LCFC. (?)
If the Kings Rd strutters have class A, grade 1 coaching, why do you think that they send about 30 young players out on loan every year to receive their coaching at other clubs? Surely they would be world beaters in their own right and the Chels would never have to pay another xfer fee. (?)
BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the Kings Rd strutters have class A, grade 1 coaching, why do you think that they send about 30 young players out on loan every year to receive their coaching at other clubs? Surely they would be world beaters in their own right and the Chels would never have to pay another xfer fee. (?)
BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Filbo65
Thatched roofer
No-one at LCFC seemed to make much improvement in BC's defending and positional sense over three or four years, IMHO. I don't know 'owt about CFC's coaching staff, but they might be better than Stowell, Davies, etc – which is why I said he may benefit.
I've long thought that their loaning system is more about turning a handsome profit on kids sold at inflated prices through having CFC on their CVs – with the obvious opportunity of also trying to catch a few truly good 'uns – than focussing purely on generating a home-grown zero-cost team. Bit like SB Utd and, increasingly, the scallies. CFC're too glam for such a prosaic approach, as you rightly observe with your nice 'King's Rd strutters' label
I've long thought that their loaning system is more about turning a handsome profit on kids sold at inflated prices through having CFC on their CVs – with the obvious opportunity of also trying to catch a few truly good 'uns – than focussing purely on generating a home-grown zero-cost team. Bit like SB Utd and, increasingly, the scallies. CFC're too glam for such a prosaic approach, as you rightly observe with your nice 'King's Rd strutters' label
Bruin
Roofer
Well there are many who appear to have benefited from LCFC coaching, esp in last few yrs. We have seen players of all experience improve greatly, from Vards (as old as he is) to Demarai Gray (as young as he was when we took him on).
Now, intelligence comes into all this, so if you are bright, eager and willing to learn, your improvement will happen more rapidly and have a deeper effect, whereas if you're that slow lad at the back of the class who needs help writing his name at the top of his composition test, it will happen less quickly and to a smaller degree. It is no surprise therefore, that Jamie advanced his stock in record time, while Demarai had to be rescued before a helicopter's rotor blades took his head off. So we return to BC.
As we cannot definitively determine his coaching path, we can only judge him on what we have seen at first team level, and perhaps he has reached his peak. Perhaps he cannot get any better. I didn't see any improvement today in his MO as a wing back. Some of his crosses before he left were actually pretty good; he was improving in that regard, and so it showed today. Just like when he was with us, others weren't so good but come on - a £50m+ player should practice from dawn till dusk to get that particular aspect of his game right because that isn't coached, it's practice making perfect. The bit that costs £50m is the positional play; the awareness; the Bobby Moore reading of the game; the never having to wash your kit coz you're in the right place at the right time, every time. That's what sets 50m quid apart from your average full back, not crossing or scoring the occasional goal, and that's what BC has yet to prove.
The loaning system as you say can be a very profitable exercise, but perhaps not as you intimate by selling the subjects of loan. We found out that by loaning Islam Slimani to Newcastle, a player can command a fee exponentially outstripping his market value. Hence LCFC profited to the tune of £2m over a 7 week period for his services. Incredible, and Chelsea do this for whole year loans over years and years for at least 15 of their youngsters. This is huge, ghosted business which can no doubt clear a massive proportion of the club's wage bill. Think about that. LCFC can get there with this new training facility but obviously must first concentrate on their own competition needs.
Re SBU (I coined the sobriquet): loathe them but don't ever forget the class of '99. Alan Hansen still has nightmares that successive shrinks and psychotherapists cannot dispel, due to that. And the mickeys have always pursued that agenda: paying record fees for players they don't need in order to prevent any other club from securing their services.
Anyway, we're gonna win the League again, so there.
BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, intelligence comes into all this, so if you are bright, eager and willing to learn, your improvement will happen more rapidly and have a deeper effect, whereas if you're that slow lad at the back of the class who needs help writing his name at the top of his composition test, it will happen less quickly and to a smaller degree. It is no surprise therefore, that Jamie advanced his stock in record time, while Demarai had to be rescued before a helicopter's rotor blades took his head off. So we return to BC.
As we cannot definitively determine his coaching path, we can only judge him on what we have seen at first team level, and perhaps he has reached his peak. Perhaps he cannot get any better. I didn't see any improvement today in his MO as a wing back. Some of his crosses before he left were actually pretty good; he was improving in that regard, and so it showed today. Just like when he was with us, others weren't so good but come on - a £50m+ player should practice from dawn till dusk to get that particular aspect of his game right because that isn't coached, it's practice making perfect. The bit that costs £50m is the positional play; the awareness; the Bobby Moore reading of the game; the never having to wash your kit coz you're in the right place at the right time, every time. That's what sets 50m quid apart from your average full back, not crossing or scoring the occasional goal, and that's what BC has yet to prove.
The loaning system as you say can be a very profitable exercise, but perhaps not as you intimate by selling the subjects of loan. We found out that by loaning Islam Slimani to Newcastle, a player can command a fee exponentially outstripping his market value. Hence LCFC profited to the tune of £2m over a 7 week period for his services. Incredible, and Chelsea do this for whole year loans over years and years for at least 15 of their youngsters. This is huge, ghosted business which can no doubt clear a massive proportion of the club's wage bill. Think about that. LCFC can get there with this new training facility but obviously must first concentrate on their own competition needs.
Re SBU (I coined the sobriquet): loathe them but don't ever forget the class of '99. Alan Hansen still has nightmares that successive shrinks and psychotherapists cannot dispel, due to that. And the mickeys have always pursued that agenda: paying record fees for players they don't need in order to prevent any other club from securing their services.
Anyway, we're gonna win the League again, so there.
BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Filbo65
Thatched roofer
I don't disagree. The Slimani business would've looked rosier if we hadn't torched £25m at the outset, and I suspect CFC would feel the same with their no doubt lucrative loaning-out of the likes of Batsuyi. I have no idea what sort of loan fee they charge for Mount to the shaggers, Abraham to Villa, etc, but as you say I'm sure it covers the academy costs for starters. And they create a ready market for all of those they have no interest in keeping for their first team.
I doubt SBU (you don't need to remind me of your ©!) will ever again assemble a cohort like Becks, Nevs, Butt, etc – but even they must look enviously at the values that the scallies are achieving when they flog the likes of Solanki, Ward, etc.
Do you do your !!!!!!!s afresh each message? The number seems to vary....
I doubt SBU (you don't need to remind me of your ©!) will ever again assemble a cohort like Becks, Nevs, Butt, etc – but even they must look enviously at the values that the scallies are achieving when they flog the likes of Solanki, Ward, etc.
Do you do your !!!!!!!s afresh each message? The number seems to vary....