Changed my mind on getting the vaccine.

Shit l thought it was someone else posting that silly remark, l can't delete but for the sake of continuity please mentally remove my comment and relace it with the word "cooooonnt"

Sorry !
 
SardiniaFox said:
We asked you who. You haven't answered the question.
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He’s playing his usual pathetic game .
“I know something you don’t but i’m not going to tell you”
As we all know he knows fuck all about anything other than total bollocks he reads on extremist websites that appeal to the craziest loontunes in ‘The Good ol USofA’
Having been fairly cornered and unable to come up with any defence it’ll be abuse and threats next .
 
bnet said:
listen to this all you jabee's

The Red Cross and the CDC are saying any of you can not donate blood to help sufferers anymore. Do l have to draw you a picture so you understand what this means ?



Probably will need too actually for some of you carrots.
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Haha...
 
Mistryman said:
If pointing out what you think that someone is saying is wrong isn’t challenging, then what is?!

Most of the people here don’t necessarily offer an alternative solution - does that make them lefties too?

If you’re desperate for suggestions, my baseline requirement is for a govt that isn’t corrupt, that genuinely promotes & enables a better society for all & that doesn’t marginalise certain groups. That they have divided our country to such a degree should be a wake-up call, but for whatever reason, it doesn’t register with so many - how sad.

If you see that as ‘airy fairy’ & ‘projectionist’, that possibly suggests you have an issue with those things.

You volunteered the info about your last vote - that you consider yourself someone that takes a considered approach to things before reaching a conclusion, it seems you really didn’t on that occasion. Hence my theory that you based your vote on a single issue.
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This is getting repetitive, you snipe but offer no real arguments or alternatives, that is not challenging, just sarky.

Again you say that you want a government that is not corrupt, not divisive etc, fair enough hardly contentious, but you offer no suggestion as to where this government would come from. Nothing like that was on offer at the last election and I would argue that divisive though the current government are, a government totally committed to identity politics would be even worse.

Like most lefties you seem to think that you can 'micromanage' your way to a fairer society, but more rules, more control just feed on peoples sense of injustice and make things worse.

Given where the country was at in 2019 I see no reason to apologise for making Brexit the primary issue, it was the biggest challenge facing the country by a mile. As I said earlier, it was a simple binary choice and I could not bring myself to vote for a party that would not even state what it's policy on Brexit was!
 
Foxgolfer said:
He’s playing his usual pathetic game .
“I know something you don’t but i’m not going to tell you”
As we all know he knows fuck all about anything other than total bollocks he reads on extremist websites that appeal to the craziest loontunes in ‘The Good ol USofA’
Having been fairly cornered and unable to come up with any defence it’ll be abuse and threats next .
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bnet said:
you mean you are not everybody, if you think Biden as the codes to the nukes then you are beyond help. If you don't have the codes, then you are not running the country. You don't even need to know that to see Biden is not in charge, how could he be. You are too lazy to even try and see what is going on in the US, do you know how the fraud investigations are going, no you don't.
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So who has just revoked permission to drill for oil and gas in northern Alaska? Trump?
 
anything constructive to say ?

No obviously - just bitter childish loser comments, stop digging twattos the hole you're in is already too deep :ROFLMAO:
 
AFCDorset said:
his is getting repetitive, you snipe but offer no real arguments or alternatives, that is not challenging, just sarky.
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Not true. In the main, it would just be a preference for something not to happening. e.g. brazenly handing out public money contracts to mates rather than due diligence & transparency. That you choose to ignore what I've said, is not my problem.
AFCDorset said:
but you offer no suggestion as to where this government would come from.
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There's no point in comparing a govt in power where the failures are aplenty, to any other party because the latter are not actually in power - so it's just speculation on your part & others when theories along the lines of "Imagine Corbyn being in power" are uttered.

AFCDorset said:
Like most lefties you seem to think that you can 'micromanage' your way to a fairer society, but more rules, more control just feed on peoples sense of injustice and make things worse.
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So let's just stick with the imbalance & injustices we have now? Well I guess if it suits you...as I said before, there's nothing in the current govt I'm seeing where we're making inroads here. If anything, we're going in the opposite direction. That it alarms so few, is a worry.
AFCDorset said:
As I said earlier, it was a simple binary choice and I could not bring myself to vote for a party that would not even state what it's policy on Brexit was!
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Thanks for confirming what I said earlier.
 
Mistryman said:
Not true. In the main, it would just be a preference for something not to happening. e.g. brazenly handing out public money contracts to mates rather than due diligence & transparency. That you choose to ignore what I've said, is not my problem.

There's no point in comparing a govt in power where the failures are aplenty, to any other party because the latter are not actually in power - so it's just speculation on your part & others when theories along the lines of "Imagine Corbyn being in power" are uttered.


So let's just stick with the imbalance & injustices we have now? Well I guess if it suits you...as I said before, there's nothing in the current govt I'm seeing where we're making inroads here. If anything, we're going in the opposite direction. That it alarms so few, is a worry.

Thanks for confirming what I said earlier.
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If I may be so bold to interrupt an interesting debate

I lost interest in party politics years ago . Political labels are meaningless . Left / right / Marxist / Fascist largely redundant and usually misused and thrown about by the politically lazy and historically ignorant.
I always vote as my father fought for that right .
However I vote for the political leader I think cares more for the country/people than their party . Not an easy one for last 3 or 4 elections.

The latest manifestation of the Tory party leadership is as bad as I can remember on that front.
 
bnet said:
l don't fail at anything, l either win or l learn, losing (failing) is never an option.


It obviously is for you, born a man and want to be a women ffs.
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You seem obsessed.

And you lose a lot of bets, don't you?
 
Foxgolfer said:
If I may be so bold to interrupt an interesting debate

I lost interest in party politics years ago . Political labels are meaningless . Left / right / Marxist / Fascist largely redundant and usually misused and thrown about by the politically lazy and historically ignorant.
I always vote as my father fought for that right .
However I vote for the political leader I think cares more for the country/people than their party . Not an easy one for last 3 or 4 elections.

The latest manifestation of the Tory party leadership is as bad as I can remember on that front.
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Fair comment Foxgolfer but I will reiterate that we had the election in 2019 and one of the protagonists refused to give even an overview of what their Brexit policy would look like, Johnson at least said that his policy was to get 'Brexit done'.

OK, this was a lie as we now know and suspected even then, but even a sceptic like myself did not imagine the true scale of the deceit, despite protestations from Mistryman, a Corbyn led Labour Labour Party was unelectable.

Politically the world is aligning differently, at the top level the old labels no longer apply, that is true, but the techniques, the methods of repression developed by 'those' groups are still around and routinely used. It is interesting that the ultra capitalist globalists that want to own and control everything use marxist/socialist techniques to maintain control and get what they want.
 
AFCDorset said:
Fair comment Foxgolfer but I will reiterate that we had the election in 2019 and one of the protagonists refused to give even an overview of what their Brexit policy would look like, Johnson at least said that his policy was to get 'Brexit done'.

OK, this was a lie as we now know and suspected even then, but even a sceptic like myself did not imagine the true scale of the deceit, despite protestations from Mistryman, a Corbyn led Labour Labour Party was unelectable.

Politically the world is aligning differently, at the top level the old labels no longer apply, that is true, but the techniques, the methods of repression developed by 'those' groups are still around and routinely used. It is interesting that the ultra capitalist globalists that want to own and control everything use marxist/socialist techniques to maintain control and get what they want.
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The deal was there for all to see regardless of the words used.

Did you not think to question it?
 
SardiniaFox said:
The deal was there for all to see regardless of the words used.

Did you not think to question it?
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Perhaps, but with a change in prime minister and some serious pro Brexit views from some of his supporters, there was I thought a chance of a decent outcome.

OK, I was wrong, but why you seem to think that the current shitshow is entirely the responsibility of some retired bloke who supports Leicester City and lives on the Dorset coast is beyond me.
 
Mistryman said:
That really was the extent of his approach. No detail, no ideas, nothing. At best, Johnson is good at sloganeering & distracting.
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Agree entirely but what does it say about the opposition who could not even manage that.

I have explained before, I saw Johnson as a figurehead, someone to 'do the pr', bat away the flak whilst allowing other more capable to seat with the details. There was enough being said by some tories to suggest that this might be a realistic possibility but the way these same people caved when offered a cabinet post (or whatever other 'encouragement') was sickening.
 
AFCDorset said:
Agree entirely but what does it say about the opposition who could not even manage that.
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It could be argued that:

- They realised the futility of promising to deliver something which was actually undeliverable

- They are not bullshit merchants of the heights that Johnson & co hit

We can only reflect that 52% of those that voted in 2016 did so for an empty promise.
 
Mistryman said:
It could be argued that:

- They realised the futility of promising to deliver something which was actually undeliverable

- They are not bullshit merchants of the heights that Johnson & co hit

We can only reflect that 52% of those that voted in 2016 did so for an empty promise.
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In order...

For that to be true they would have needed a sense of self awareness and an understanding of the situation, so no, not possible.

As you said above (#166) you can not compare the faults of the party in power with the possible faults of the party not in power, then do exactly that. Tut-tut.

The empty promise was given by the democratically elected Prime Minister of this country, both verbally and repeated in print. That is what leavers voted for. At the time, not unreasonable.
 
I thought you didn't trust the printed media? And the word of a politician?
 
AFCDorset said:
In order...

For that to be true they would have needed a sense of self awareness and an understanding of the situation, so no, not possible.

As you said above (#166) you can not compare the faults of the party in power with the possible faults of the party not in power, then do exactly that. Tut-tut.

The empty promise was given by the democratically elected Prime Minister of this country, both verbally and repeated in print. That is what leavers voted for. At the time, not unreasonable.
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S’pose it could’ve been worse. He could have lied about weapons of mass destruction that left hundreds of thousands dead.
 
SardiniaFox said:
I thought you didn't trust the printed media? And the word of a politician?
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It was not the media, it was a government information (actually propaganda) leaflet paid for by tax payers money.

The word of a Prime Minister, duly elected, and a servant of the Crown. It was the scale of the deceit that was so breathtaking.

Nothing like it since 'the dodgy dossier' some 15-16 years earlier, (thanks Richard).
 
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