Birmingham City Council

To be fair Hakkers, Croydon is a one horse shit hole and Brum is the biggest unitary authority in Europe that has just blown millions on a "who can get back to where they started from quickest" competition. Maybe they should scrap that metal bull thing, it must be worth a few bob.

But I take your point that incompetence crosses the political divide on a regular basis.
 
hackneyfox said:
Left right Jackie?
Would you have spouted had it been a Tory council?
No mention of Croydon or Thurrock
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Nothing to do with left or right, i didn’t know or care what the council was, they are all corrupt, left and right, all of the fuckers. it was more the fact that a council the size of Birmingham has gone bust. WTMG. And the reason I mentioned it was because they were talking about it on the radio. Is that ok hun?
 
Your evidence of corruption?
The fact that so many councils are failing financially is more likelyto be the financial model imposed by the government
to shift non statuary responsibility away from central government. Stealth taxation from a small state ideology.
The problem with blanket suggestions of 'corruption' is that it suggests a problem which is impossible to deal woth.
Which in turn encourages a culture of helplessness and impotence. Which is the idea...
 
Oadlad said:
Your evidence of corruption?
The fact that so many councils are failing financially is more likelyto be the financial model imposed by the government
to shift non statuary responsibility away from central government. Stealth taxation from a small state ideology.
The problem with blanket suggestions of 'corruption' is that it suggests a problem which is impossible to deal woth.
Which in turn encourages a culture of helplessness and impotence. Which is the idea...
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Or they don't pay their workforce properly
 
Unlawfully underpaying its female workers is hardly a contribution to bankruptcy unless found
out, and the full cpmpensation is due. And it is now.
Which means those workers were subsidising previous expenditure.
And a 'botched' computer upgrade by a private company has cost a substantial sum.
Still no evidence of any corruption...
 
It has made a significant dent in the finances, the council employed the private company to do the job
 
What? said:
It has made a significant dent in the finances, the council employed the private company to do the job
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I don't get how these IT contracts work. If a builder gives you a written quote you expect that to be the price you pay on completion. If it over runs or they under estimated how much material they needed that's on them. So how can an IT company charge so much more than the original price the job was contracted for?
 
Oadlad said:
Your evidence of corruption?
The fact that so many councils are failing financially is more likelyto be the financial model imposed by the government
to shift non statuary responsibility away from central government. Stealth taxation from a small state ideology.
The problem with blanket suggestions of 'corruption' is that it suggests a problem which is impossible to deal woth.
Which in turn encourages a culture of helplessness and impotence. Which is the idea...
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I would imagine it’s a bit of both. They are all as corrupt as each other. Self serving pigs the fucking lot of them.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
I don't get how these IT contracts work. If a builder gives you a written quote you expect that to be the price you pay on completion. If it over runs or they under estimated how much material they needed that's on them. So how can an IT company charge so much more than the original price the job was contracted for?
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Regardless of the sector it depends on the terms of the contract. But anyway, I guess for building companies there is usually a very good idea very early on of what the end product will look like and consequently what skills, time & materials are needed (and from which a premium may be added for potential hiccoughs depending on how much risk is involved). In things like IT that is so often not the case because, to continue the building analogy, it is so often a bit like a client asking for a conservatory only to then later find out as you start building that the conservatory needs 2 floors, a kitchen, a games room and a swimming pool.

What often happens, especially with big systems for large organisations, is that the organisation identifies a need for a particular type of system & selects one. They then usually have a choice: change the way the organisation works to use the system as designed (lower IT cost but usually a big change impact that might be very costly elsewhere) or change the system to better fit the way the organisation works (the conservatory). Most usually do the latter and the time part of "time & materials" usually skyrockets. But, again, depends on the contract. Most larger IT companies understand that usually their clients haven't the foggiest clue of what they really want so won't risk fixed price, smaller players, usually in an act of desperation if things are tight, might and usually end up going to the wall. A bit like major building companies.

From reading about Brum it sounds very much like they wanted to heavily customise the system.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
I don't get how these IT contracts work. If a builder gives you a written quote you expect that to be the price you pay on completion. If it over runs or they under estimated how much material they needed that's on them. So how can an IT company charge so much more than the original price the job was contracted for?
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I completely agree but all the buggers seem to do it. They usually blame a change in specification or some such bull shit.
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
And yet you're quick to criticise anyone who mentions the word strike in the pursuit of fair pay.
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It rather depends on what you call fair. Also this is required under UK law nothing to do with opinions of fair.
 
So many layers of bureaucracy are there just to hide where the money is stolen, or cover up where it's been misspent. The local Parish Councils are where honesty finishes, anything above is totally corrupt.
 
Every social, military and infrastructure project overruns on price, it's how the private sector milks the public purse.
It's the railway not ending in a field trick.

Simply saying they are 'all corrupt' does not mean it is true.
I've known lots of councillors and their hours of unpaid work is admirable.
Try it and see how long you last. At least it would stop you spouting drivel.
 
Oadlad said:
Every social, military and infrastructure project overruns on price, it's how the private sector milks the public purse.
It's the railway not ending in a field trick.

Simply saying they are 'all corrupt' does not mean it is true.
I've known lots of councillors and their hours of unpaid work is admirable.
Try it and see how long you last. At least it would stop you spouting drivel.
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l am a councillor you cunt.
 
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