Benefits Of American Ownership

sabredunce

sabredunce

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In English football. We've all heard the cons, how about the pros? The existing English model hearkens back to the 19th century railroad, robber-barons.

- A salary cap would eliminate the inequity, the cemented rich teams would be forced to operate on merit rather than the size of their wallet. The Premier League is the equivalent of boxing without weight classes. Just throw that little kid up against the heavyweight and ensure the status quo.

- A player draft would ensure smaller markets get an opportunity to sign massive talents and compete against large market teams. More parity.

- Foreign dictators, drug runners*, money launderers* - a thing of the past. (uh.. ok, maybe no foreign dictators. One out of three isn't bad)

- Relegation and promotion. That's pretty good, that should stay.

Just brainstorming here, anything else?


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sabredunce said:
In English football. We've all heard the cons, how about the pros? The existing English model hearkens back to the 19th century railroad, robber-barons.

- A salary cap would eliminate the inequity, the cemented rich teams would be forced to operate on merit rather than the size of their wallet. The Premier League is the equivalent of boxing without weight classes. Just throw that little kid up against the heavyweight and ensure the status quo.

- A player draft would ensure smaller markets get an opportunity to sign massive talents and compete against large market teams. More parity.

- Foreign dictators, drug runners*, money launderers* - a thing of the past. (uh.. ok, maybe no foreign dictators. One out of three isn't bad)

- Relegation and promotion. That's pretty good, that should stay.

Just brainstorming here, anything else?


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Liverpool won the league and built a very good team. The Yanks did that for them
 
if we went that way it would become a level playing field across Europe. We pay the most money so get the best players. I agree with you though, but we would be giving up our dominance, is that a good thing or bad ? Look at Croatia, who turn out a team with that small population, even Argentina who send most of their players abroad but have a better team than England, well, a team that CAN win things unlike England.
I love the Premier league to be honest with all the stars, but l hate the England set up. European league would follow l think and there will be 6 English clubs with everything and the rest a bit like the championship. Still not sure which is best, but I'd like to see City with a big stadium and sell out crowds and be able to really move to being elite.
 
sabredunce said:
A player draft would ensure smaller markets get an opportunity to sign massive talents and compete against large market teams. More parity.
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Treating this with undue seriousness...

What's your smaller/larger markets here? Larger/smaller European countries? English Premier League/Football League/non-League? Who is in the draft compared to who is traded? The comparison to American Football is pretty much Academy products in the draft (so "potentially" massive talents) but they are currently aligned to clubs anyway, once in the system everyone is traded.

I often see people talk seriously about the wonders of the draft system and how it would be a good thing in football. I think it is a load of shit (for football). Plus the US version resembles an horrific cross between a slave auction & a major fashion show. Albeit one that is very lucrative for the 'slaves' who seem to have even more dubious fashion sense (I know, pot/kettle) than that displayed in a major fashion show.
 
3 foot long hot dogs (with everything on) delivered to your seat would be a step in the right direction!
 
buz_not_buzz said:
Who is in the draft compared to who is traded? The comparison to American Football is pretty much Academy products in the draft (so "potentially" massive talents) but they are currently aligned to clubs anyway, once in the system everyone is traded.

I often see people talk seriously about the wonders of the draft system and how it would be a good thing in football. I think it is a load of shit (for football). Plus the US version resembles an horrific cross between a slave auction & a major fashion show. Albeit one that is very lucrative for the 'slaves' who seem to have even more dubious fashion sense (I know, pot/kettle) than that displayed in a major fashion show.
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Delete the academy system entirely and place youth development in the hands of schools. Or, more in line with the NHL draft and development system - schools competing directly with junior leagues for development. It lacks the gaudiness of the NFL, and crosses international borders.

It would mean a massive overhaul, but how sustainable is the present system? How many teams have won the Premier League title since it's inception? It's rigged.
 
If Jimmy were with us today, he'd tell us: never get the footlong. Stick with two regular dogs, you want to eat it, not wear it.
 
bnet said:
if we went that way it would become a level playing field across Europe. We pay the most money so get the best players. I agree with you though, but we would be giving up our dominance, is that a good thing or bad ? Look at Croatia, who turn out a team with that small population, even Argentina who send most of their players abroad but have a better team than England, well, a team that CAN win things unlike England.
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But doesn't the money migrate? The best league in Europe is transitional, it was Italy then Spain, now England. Correct me if I'm wrong, I might be.

Something I've never understood are the Mexicans, they're football mad with a giant population and a colossal league, but they never do anything. I've asked a few of their fans, what's the story? I've been told there's no professional management system. All that talent and energy can't be harnessed, there's no one trained to do it.
 
sabredunce said:
But doesn't the money migrate? The best league in Europe is transitional, it was Italy then Spain, now England. Correct me if I'm wrong, I might be.

Something I've never understood are the Mexicans, they're football mad with a giant population and a colossal league, but they never do anything. I've asked a few of their fans, what's the story? I've been told there's no professional management system. All that talent and energy can't be harnessed, there's no one trained to do it.
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we've got the TV money, so it seems no matter what, we are not going to change any structures if it means giving up the power that losing some of the money would do. Great point about Mexico, it doesn't seem to be population based or being the countries dominant sport does it. I've always said that Brasil are the best football nation because of a 200 million population and the only real sport being football, but Mexico sort of disproves this theory. These 2 factors must be important but they need something else ! l think our national team as always under performed because of corruption. Why is a useless twat with no previous success in football our manager, and why didn't Clough ever get the gig. My opinion is that you only give the keys to someone who will drive where you want him to, if you want to control the system that brings you the money in. We've seen the political stuff through the England set up only too clearly this World Cup, people like Clough would never get involved in all this kneeling, rainbow flag bollocks etc.
 
sabredunce said:
If Jimmy were with us today, he'd tell us: never get the footlong. Stick with two regular dogs, you want to eat it, not wear it.
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I bought one of those “Po’boys” when I was in New Orleans in 1981. I chose the Roast Beef filling but not the “sloppy roast beef” version where they pour gravy in as well. The guy making it seemed slightly disappointed with me when I didn’t want it with everything else in the shop piled on as well. Other fillings on offer included crawfish or alligator(I kid you not). The baguette,which was white and fluffy compared to ours at home, was fucking enormous and the guy chopped into two and wrapped both ends to enable me to squeeze back out of the shop door with it all. It took me 2 hours to eat it sitting on a bench in Jackson Square in the French Quarter!
 
sabredunce said:
Delete the academy system entirely and place youth development in the hands of schools. Or, more in line with the NHL draft and development system - schools competing directly with junior leagues for development. It lacks the gaudiness of the NFL, and crosses international borders.

It would mean a massive overhaul, but how sustainable is the present system? How many teams have won the Premier League title since it's inception? It's rigged.
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Yes of course it is effectively rigged at the top & a draft system might help resolve that but I strongly suspect that it will break the game as a whole. It might be my lack of imagination but the biggest issue I have with the draft is that I just don't see how it can work with a system of Promotion & Relegation across the pyramid or truly across borders.

And the draft when based on the American model is really only about how players enter the top of the professional game isn't it? You still need to have a system that allows for movement at end of contracts whether that be players and clubs coming to an agreement (as happens today for free agents) or by extending the draft to be from a central pool where players go at end of contracts (whether end of term or mutual consent) to join those just out of youth development (else you are back to the power of the £££ for transfers) but I just don't see how it could work without it making the PL a closed shop in terms of the clubs in it.

When you talk about cross international borders in relation to the NHL I am assuming you mean for players from outside of North America & Canada? But as to your initial aim & assuming that when you talk about smaller markets you are talking internationally what about when FK Tirana want to compete with Barcelona for the new Lionel Messi (and obviously FKT being crapper than Barca have a good chance of getting him regardless of whether young Lionel wants to go to Albania or not)? I am guessing in Hockey that it is a one-way street with the best talent funnelling one way with only the curious or relatively crap heading the other, i.e. the smaller market stays small.

Club Salary caps I can get onboard with (I strongly suspect that player salary caps would be impossible to enforce in the UK and throughout Europe) though clubs would of course find ways around it.
 
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Another authentic USA experience was a Greyhound ‘rest stop’ in Sikeston,Missouri,while I was en route to Memphis. The most enticing delicacy of the restaurant menu chalked on the wall was “Liver and Gizzards”. The group of “good old boys” sitting around a central table must have been the regular clientele, whatever they were smoking certainly wasn’t Marlboro’s and the big jug sitting centre table had the suspicious look of “moonshine” about it.I might have been the first Englishman they had seen since the War of 1812!
I decided to play safe just order a 7up and sit close to the exit!
 
buz_not_buzz said:
I just don't see how it can work with a system of Promotion & Relegation across the pyramid or truly across borders.
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Fair enough, it keeps coming back to that and I don't see any way around it either.
I thought using the NHL as an example would better illustrate organising and funneling players from different development systems to a unified purpose, but the changes to existing football would be too outrageous for anyone to accept. :(
 
sabredunce said:
Fair enough, it keeps coming back to that and I don't see any way around it either.
I thought using the NHL as an example would better illustrate organising and funneling players from different development systems to a unified purpose, but the changes to existing football would be too outrageous for anyone to accept. :(
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I am not sure that the concept of funnelling of players from different development systems to a unified purpose is difficult to accept as a concept, I just think the challenges of managing it top down within country league structures and/or across geographies to achieve the aim is just too difficult to implement in practice. But, yes, until we reach the point when we have popped the sustainability bubble & it starts from scratch (i.e. after the event) I think it is unlikely to be a go-er.
 
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