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Foxgolfer
Guest
Agreed . I can’t . It’s inexplicable .
Running Fox
Roofer
I admire your energy for trying , but to Foxgolfer? You must be bored today?
AFCDorset
Roofer
Foxgolfer is OK, just blind as a bat to what is going on in the world.
But you are right, I am a bit bored. Speaking to a cardio consultant tonight so getting info and stuff together.
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SardiniaFox
Guest
Whereas you say yourself it is your view of the world.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
When I see some actual evidence not strange angry Americans in bison horns on extremist video platforms I might be more receptive.
I do however have little doubt that Johnson’s ‘Tories’ make policy decisions guided by Russian oligarchs and billionaire newspaper owners make sure he gets applauded for it.
It’s certainly not for the good of the people of Britain
oh and the evidence lies in 90 % of the print and online press headlines and Tory party donors
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Baffling at best.
AFCDorset
Roofer
S'ok Fg. I know where you are at, you know where I am at. No need to argue about it, we all see what we want to see.
Perfectly understandable.
The voters know that the Johnson government is a pile of shit, and they also believe that any Labour government, whoever is leader, will be an even bigger pile of shit. It is that simple.
And Labour are so inept they have no idea what to do about it.
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SardiniaFox
Guest
But they didn't know, you claim.
AFCDorset
Roofer
Events, dear boy, events.
Few people, except the truly enlightened like your good self, Mm etc, expected the shit show to be of the scale that has unfolded in the last couple of years.
What is even worse though is that the opposition, the Labour Party, had an opportunity at it's conference to really lay into the government on its record yet spent the weekend screeching about whether a man could or could not have a cervix...
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Foxgolfer
Guest
Starmer is too scared of Brexiters to call Brexit out for the almighty shitshow it is . He’s also too polite ( weak ) to go for Johnson in the way he deserves to be got at .
If this winter turns out as expected things may turn quickly .
just a theory .
Your view ?
Silver Fox
Roofer
Opposition still infighting and awol, blaming everyone but themselves for their failings. No electorate confidence in the leadership. Media not helping. Sadly Boris is there by default.
This seems to be one of those things repeated so enough, it’s become “fact” - the bollox that is “Imagine if Corbyn was in charge”.
It’s as if things aren’t shit enough as they are, but in order for people to convince themselves that it would be worse, they look for a reason.
There really is no evidence to say under Corbyn it would’ve been worse - the evidence is Johnson, & it’s been shit, corrupt, incompetent & full of continuous lies.
Running Fox
Roofer
Well I wish you well Buddy
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Foxgolfer
Guest
Well that’s what the media line was , whereas in fact that wasn’t the case at all .Events, dear boy, events.
Few people, except the truly enlightened like your good self, Mm etc, expected the shit show to be of the scale that has unfolded in the last couple of years.
What is even worse though is that the opposition, the Labour Party, had an opportunity at it's conference to really lay into the government on its record yet spent the weekend screeching about whether a man could or could not have a cervix...
Hope all goes well AFC
My view?
The Tories will win the next election with a reduced majority. But they will 'win'.
The public like Boris. He is a 'character'. They don't care about his privileged background or Eton education. He got elected as Londonistan Mayor twice ffs. That should tell you something
hackneyfox
Roofer
'Londonistan'????
Surely you have heard the phrase before?
How sad. A buffoon sending this country off the cliff. Never mind, we get a great laugh out of his buffoonery at least.
Learn some British history.
Calling him a buffoon is avoiding the issue. Why is he popular and why are Labour not? Why?
We have dealt with far greater challenges than we face now and came through.
AFCDorset
Roofer
Thanks for the encouragement everyone.
Amazing what you get when you 'go private'. Brief pre consultation chat that was more productive than anything from my GP in more than 6 months.
Full workup next, then run through some of the more obvious medication changes, compared to some I am not in the worst shape, but I am convinced I could be doing better. At least this gives me a chance to improve.
Amazing what you get when you 'go private'. Brief pre consultation chat that was more productive than anything from my GP in more than 6 months.
Full workup next, then run through some of the more obvious medication changes, compared to some I am not in the worst shape, but I am convinced I could be doing better. At least this gives me a chance to improve.
Patronising.
My best guess is that people are generally not bothered. Every 2-3 days, some incident occurs (intentionally or otherwise), & the country has become apathetic.
In your lifetime, what are the challenges you’re referring to?
Birstallblue
Roofer
Labour used to be for the working man /woman
now labour is so far detatched from the working man / woman its become unelectable
To much pc bollocks
tories have jumped in to grab the vote from everyone that feels like this
aint rocket science
that video where the white speaker critisised white men for daring to raise their arm at the labour party conference killed em for me
now labour is so far detatched from the working man / woman its become unelectable
To much pc bollocks
tories have jumped in to grab the vote from everyone that feels like this
aint rocket science
that video where the white speaker critisised white men for daring to raise their arm at the labour party conference killed em for me
In that respect, the working man/woman must be really pleased that Johnson’s taking us all back to the 70s.
Looking forward to “Love Thy Neighbour” & being recommissioned, & Bernard Manning repeats on BBC2.
sabredunce
Silver Surfer
How were the 1970's bad for socialism and socialist ideals? They had a full head of steam. Not as good as the 50's, but hey. I get the feeling you were picked on as a kid and never got over it. Stop projecting your insecurities onto others.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
Out of interest why do you think the current Tory party are “in touch “ with working people and what are they actually doing to make their lives better ?
Take your point about “ pc bollocks “ . Don’t agree with it but it’s the narrative the the Daily Mail and Murdochs readers are fed every day .
Your example is a case in point . The guy at the fringe meeting wasn’t criticising white delegates merely encouraging a range of voices . Sort of the job of a good chair in a meeting ?
The narrative in the press was Labour conference shut down white people which is of course utter crap .
Listening and representing all views in our fantastically diverse country is probably a strength ?
As long as folks get more angry about black dance troupes on TV than the destruction of their health system the country will continue to be fucked up
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Brauny
The optimistic pessimist
What I said earlier...not a Corbyn fan before you jump in.
It’s as if things aren’t shit enough as they are, but in order for people to convince themselves that it would be worse, they look for a reason.
There really is no evidence to say under Corbyn it would’ve been worse - the evidence is Johnson, & it’s been shit, corrupt, incompetent & full of continuous lies.
This seems to be one of those things repeated so enough, it’s become “fact” - the bollox that is “Imagine if Corbyn was in charge”.
It’s as if things aren’t shit enough as they are, but in order for people to convince themselves that it would be worse, they look for a reason.
There really is no evidence to say under Corbyn it would’ve been worse - the evidence is Johnson, & it’s been shit, corrupt, incompetent & full of continuous lies.
Birstallblue
Roofer
The very reason he had to bring the colour of peoples skin into it says it all about labour
Evidently the line should've been drawn when Johnson referred to black people as 'piccaninnies'.