Keir Starmer

He desperately needs to do what it takes to be relevant to ordinary voters, if he can't do that now with all the shit that his happening then we know he is just 'controlled opposition' and part of the scam.
 
I assume he'll get your vote in return for a "proper" Brexit?
 
sixthswan said:
That has been pounced on by some of the Tories.

Bizarrely, there have been cases of males born with a cervix.
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The trans issue is tying both Labour and the Lib Dems in knots. Ed Davey said on TV the other day that trans women (ie, biological males) should be allowed in any space - in other words, women should not be allowed to have any spaces where men are barred. But he looked incredibly uncomfortable saying it, as if he didn't really believe it. Likewise Starmer was squirming horribly when he was answered the cervix question. I really wasn't convinced he believed what he was saying.

If Labour and the Lib Dems go into the next election advocating that trans women should be able to access women's toilets, changing rooms, prisons, rape crisis centres etc, and the Tories argue that women's spaces should remain free from biological males, then it will be the easiest election that the Tories will ever contest.
 
SardiniaFox said:
I assume he'll get your vote in return for a "proper" Brexit?
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If any party promised that they would get my vote. Having been 'had' before they would have to make commitments that they had to keep. Sadly there is nothing in our electoral system that requires an incoming government to keep to their manifesto.
ClaphamFox said:
Totally agree.
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Me too, I love a bit of Corbyn. At least we would have a lefty comedian on TV who is actually funny.
 
SardiniaFox said:
The same way Labour supporters and MPs can be described as Red Tories.
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Oh I see. But that's just the crackpot left sneering at middle-class, moderate Labour supporters. You don't often hear the Tory right dismissing their working class supporters in the same sneering way.
 
ClaphamFox said:
Oh I see. But that's just the crackpot left sneering at middle-class, moderate Labour supporters. You don't often hear the Tory right dismissing their working class supporters in the same sneering way.
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Hmm.

You obviously don't listen enough. They are laughing in the corridors at the free rein they have been given.
 
ClaphamFox said:
How can somebody be a socialist, faux or otherwise, if they vote Tory?
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Boris Johnson is Blue Labour. A Social Democrat. A One Nation Tory.

He's a cunt, but he is attempting to hit the sweet spot in UK politics. Supporting capitalism to the hilt and offering redistribution from the state, for those left behind. Levelling up is about as leftie as you can expect in the modern UK.
 
SardiniaFox said:
Hmm.

You obviously don't listen enough. They are laughing in the corridors at the free rein they have been given.
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Laughing in the corridors is one thing. Labour tears itself apart in public - the moderates and the lefties loathe each other and cannot hide it.

There's a difference.
 
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