The woke wankers cried

That's a fair comment.
The Old Testament has got some strange teachings, but the fundamentals that Christ is alleged to have taught were the same.
 
Fair comment. But you are just playing with words, at the end of the day they are just labels, you are what you are, not what others say you are,

Though I do think that the teachings of the Old Testament are quite divergent from the New in many respects.
Much more focus on homosexuality and shellfish in the OT for a start
 
Any update on this?
Post #171.
Ethics, morals and norms of behaviour have existed since we started living in groups, from early Hominids. Those that try to claim today's morals, ethics etc stem from the teachings of Christ or whichever particular guru they believe in are a bit late.

There will always be some people who want something for nothing. I call them Tories. We need a safety net for those that fall on hard times, are unable to work for whatever reason or need a top-up. What would be your solution?
Morning Club book, jump right in, the waters fine.

I don't think that I was trying to claim that, just that the christian tradition was, by and large, how these ideas were taught to me.

I certainly do not believe that christian teaching is in any way unique or special, but they were the teachings I grew up with, and they have, by and large, stood the test of time for me.

Nice subject change, by the way. Wanting something for nothing, I call those people socialists. But both statements are 'givens'.

As for providing a safety net for those in genuine need, I have never argued against that, quite the opposite in fact. I simply do not see how splashing tax payers money on those who are not in real need helps those that are.

In fact it does just the opposite by taking resources from where they are really needed.

As for my 'solution', I do not have one, I think our system is broken beyond repair.
 
I wouldn't have voted, if I were living where you live...
I came very close to voting for the 'cock and ball' candidate in reality.

In the end I decided to engage in the process, abrogating my responsibility would not allow me in all conscience to comment on the performance of the government. That was my reasoning.

Fortunately it has turned out pretty well, just look at all the new friends I have on here... ;)
 
I didn't change the subject, I was chipping in on the discussion about christian ethics, morals etc.

How are they not in real need? Who do you define as not in real need?
Fair enough.

I would have thought that I had given you enough on this, people making life on benefits a choice, those deliberately making fraudulent claims, plenty of options to look at.

Money spent in this way is not available for people in real need who are not doing those things. I want to see people in need get more, not less.
 
I simply do not see how splashing tax payers money on those who are not in real need helps those that are.
The hole is just getting deeper - how on Earth do you determine “real need”?!

I’m sure many could come up with an arbitrary list they could agree with, until the moment they are in “real need” & find they’re no longer on the list.
 
So you don't believe in Christ, or follow Christ - but you are a Christian?
Are you a failed solicitor ??



what's wrong with you, you're just like that Mysterman, nothing to say just criticise or question everyone else mentions. Thats the definition of a "bore" !
 
Anyone notice that all these sausages on here, Sardine, Mistry, CCC,Sixth and few others, in every thread aim to put the others into one box or another ???

They are just attacking everyone else with nothing, they have to try and identify us with a group, then attack that group as if its us., This is how thin and pointless their posts are.

Just read up ^^^. they are trying their best to label me and AFC continuously.

Sad cunts, its inability for thinking for themselves.



ps. l didn't mention the biggest clown, Golfer, as I'd forgot about as hes on ignore (n)
 
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Anyone notice that all these sausages on here, Sardine, Mistry, CCC,Sixth and few others, in every thread aim to put the others into one box or another ???

They are just attacking everyone else with nothing, they have to try and identify us with a group, then attack that group as if its us., This is how thin and pointless their posts are.

Just read up ^^^. they are trying their best to label me and AFC continuously.

Sad cunts, its inability for thinking for themselves.
Well you're putting me in a group with those lot, hypocrite. How is it attacking? Is that how you perceive people questioning what you post? Are we not allowed opposing views?
people making life on benefits a choice, those deliberately making fraudulent claims, plenty of options to look at.
A very small minority. If the best they can aspire to is a council house and living off benefits it's their loss. As I said before, there will always be some (Tories) who want something for nothing.
 
The hole is just getting deeper - how on Earth do you determine “real need”?!

I’m sure many could come up with an arbitrary list they could agree with, until the moment they are in “real need” & find they’re no longer on the list.
You make the effort. Something you are not prepared to do because of your 'progressive/woke' agenda.

More socialism in action, now we have 'lists'. You couldn't make this shit up.
 
Well you're putting me in a group with those lot, hypocrite. How is it attacking? Is that how you perceive people questioning what you post? Are we not allowed opposing views?

A very small minority. If the best they can aspire to is a council house and living off benefits it's their loss. As I said before, there will always be some (Tories) who want something for nothing.
But your are in a group like that, I'm not trying to Pidgeon hole you like you lot do, just pointing out how you go about your posts, as l said you have to put us in. a group then attack that group.

I'm not trying to put you in a group to attack the group, l don't have too as most of your lots posts, say nothing just criticise others.

Obviously missing the point either on purpose or not.
 
Anyone notice that all these sausages on here, Sardine, Mistry, CCC,Sixth and few others, in every thread aim to put the others into one box or another ???

They are just attacking everyone else with nothing, they have to try and identify us with a group, then attack that group as if its us., This is how thin and pointless their posts are.

Just read up ^^^. they are trying their best to label me and AFC continuously.

Sad cunts, its inability for thinking for themselves.



ps. l didn't mention the biggest clown, Golfer, as I'd forgot about as hes on ignore (n)
I really does not trouble me, I am my own man and surprising flexible in terms of my ideas and the way that things are done.

Unlike your 'sausages' I am happy to discuss ideas and how they can be employed in the real world, getting involved in six form debates on the meaning of some words is just tedious.

You are right about the desire to put people into boxes, socialist style intersectionality at its most basic.

I get given a hard time for describing so many on here as 'socialists'. There is a simple way to resolve that, stop talking and behaving like brain dead socialists. The issue will go away.
 
I really does not trouble me, I am my own man and surprising flexible in terms of my ideas and the way that things are done.

Unlike your 'sausages' I am happy to discuss ideas and how they can be employed in the real world, getting involved in six form debates on the meaning of some words is just tedious.

You are right about the desire to put people into boxes, socialist style intersectionality at its most basic.

I get given a hard time for describing so many on here as 'socialists'. There is a simple way to resolve that, stop talking and behaving like brain dead socialists. The issue will go away.
l was really just asking if anyone else had noticed what l had, just now really. You was getting the inquisition, l think it sums them up.

l got it with Tommy Robinson firstly !
 
You make the effort. Something you are not prepared to do because of your 'progressive/woke' agenda.

More socialism in action, now we have 'lists'. You couldn't make this shit up.

What’s socialist about an idea you came up with? “Real need” would need to be quantified or described in some way. You can’t just invent a term & expect everyone to know exactly what it means.

So come on - don’t backtrack, deflect or squawk ‘socialism’ at every opportunity. Your idea - own it & explain it. You might be more socialist or Marxist than you realise.
 
What’s socialist about an idea you came up with? “Real need” would need to be quantified or described in some way. You can’t just invent a term & expect everyone to know exactly what it means.

So come on - don’t backtrack, deflect or squawk ‘socialism’ at every opportunity. Your idea - own it & explain it. You might be more socialist or Marxist than you realise.
You treat people as individuals, you do not put people on lists, that is totalitarianism, socialist totalitarianism in your case.

If you do not want to be called a socialist, stop behaving like one, it is simple.

Unfortunately it is incumbent in socialism to require others to be socialist as well. I am not.

If you want to use your capital to support fraudsters and wasters that is entirely up to you.
 
But your are in a group like that, I'm not trying to Pidgeon hole you like you lot do, just pointing out how you go about your posts, as l said you have to put us in. a group then attack that group.

I'm not trying to put you in a group to attack the group, l don't have too as most of your lots posts, say nothing just criticise others.

Obviously missing the point either on purpose or not.
I'm not missing the point. I was thinking about starting lots of new posts with information about vaccines, Covid stats etc that I consider to oppose the multiple threads that are started with Twitter links, Bitchute links, Flat earth stuff etc. but I don't want to spam the board.

There's so many of these started that it's easier to just get involved in a supposed grown up discussion about the point being made. But you see that as attacking you. If you can't take it, don't play.
You are right about the desire to put people into boxes, socialist style intersectionality at its most ba
Says the person that refers to everything that opposed his view as socialist, Marxist or communist.
 
I'm not missing the point. I was thinking about starting lots of new posts with information about vaccines, Covid stats etc that I consider to oppose the multiple threads that are started with Twitter links, Bitchute links, Flat earth stuff etc. but I don't want to spam the board.

There's so many of these started that it's easier to just get involved in a supposed grown up discussion about the point being made. But you see that as attacking you. If you can't take it, don't play.

Says the person that refers to everything that opposed his view as socialist, Marxist or communist.
As I said in my posts above, the best way to avoid being called a socialist, marxist or communist is not to be one.

To be fair, I really an not in the slightest bit bothered that you are a lefty, you seem a decent enough bloke, that's all that matters.

It is when you start insisting that I share you crackpot lefty ideology that I have a problem. not a big problem on here its just a forum, but in the real world it would get rather tiresome.
 
I'm not missing the point. I was thinking about starting lots of new posts with information about vaccines, Covid stats etc that I consider to oppose the multiple threads that are started with Twitter links, Bitchute links, Flat earth stuff etc. but I don't want to spam the board.

There's so many of these started that it's easier to just get involved in a supposed grown up discussion about the point being made. But you see that as attacking you. If you can't take it, don't play.

Says the person that refers to everything that opposed his view as socialist, Marxist or communist.
you are missing the point, I'd just noticed how you lot have to try and pigeon hole everyone and the attack the group that you've put us in. Simple observation.
 
Anyone notice that all these sausages on here, Sardine, Mistry, CCC,Sixth and few others, in every thread aim to put the others into one box or another ???

They are just attacking everyone else with nothing, they have to try and identify us with a group, then attack that group as if its us., This is how thin and pointless their posts are.

Just read up ^^^. they are trying their best to label me and AFC continuously.

Sad cunts, its inability for thinking for themselves.



ps. l didn't mention the biggest clown, Golfer, as I'd forgot about as hes on ignore (n)
Says man who puts people into boxes with each new post...
 
Are you a failed solicitor ??



what's wrong with you, you're just like that Mysterman, nothing to say just criticise or question everyone else mentions. Thats the definition of a "bore" !

A what? What you on about? I talk about what I want, when I want...
 
You treat people as individuals, you do not put people on lists, that is totalitarianism, socialist totalitarianism in your case.

If you do not want to be called a socialist, stop behaving like one, it is simple.

Unfortunately it is incumbent in socialism to require others to be socialist as well. I am not.

If you want to use your capital to support fraudsters and wasters that is entirely up to you.
What a shame - I don’t have an issue with anyone disliking socialism or any other ism for that matter.

I simply asked how you categorise “real need”. What you seem to be suggesting is that you do it on an individual, almost case-by-case basis. Which is unworkable, because as with almost everything, you’d need to set some parameters in the first place before progressing further.

To add, if it’s done on a case-by-case basis, then it becomes arbitrary. For instance you may think that person who had a decent job, became unemployed & then developed an illness rendering him/her unable to work, as someone who isn’t in “real need”, whereas another person would think the opposite.

But whatever the discussion, blame socialism. An unhealthy obsession.
 
Anyone notice that all these sausages on here, Sardine, Mistry, CCC,Sixth and few others, in every thread aim to put the others into one box or another ???

They are just attacking everyone else with nothing, they have to try and identify us with a group, then attack that group as if its us., This is how thin and pointless their posts are.

Just read up ^^^. they are trying their best to label me and AFC continuously.

Sad cunts, its inability for thinking for themselves.



ps. l didn't mention the biggest clown, Golfer, as I'd forgot about as hes on ignore (n)

Erm AFC called himself a "Christian". That's what we've been talking about. What label have you been given?

I believe AFC has been throwing around the Socialist word a bit. No idea why? Doesn't apply to me...
 
As I said in my posts above, the best way to avoid being called a socialist, marxist or communist is not to be one.

To be fair, I really an not in the slightest bit bothered that you are a lefty, you seem a decent enough bloke, that's all that matters.

It is when you start insisting that I share you crackpot lefty ideology that I have a problem. not a big problem on here its just a forum, but in the real world it would get rather tiresome.
I know we're going off topic, but I do find it a bit odd that you'll post endlessly about people you consider not worthy of financial assistance, yet not bat an eyelid on the subject of the current Govt enriching themselves and their chums, and the rich stuffing their pockets with their tax dodges etc. The benefits bill is a drop in the ocean compared to what that lot are pilfering.
 
He is bound to hold that view (if he does). Being a right Libertarian.

Taxation is a construct of government and a belief in small government would result in frustration, seeing people deemed not worthy - getting state welfare.

So avoiding tax when you're rich is fine. Because taxation is a government thing.

Even though of course, you are left with what happens to those who don't get state aid and also a government, directly involved in tax avoidance and corruption.
 
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