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Vardy instead of our worst player since Junior Lewis.
Coady in for Nelson, correct decision.
Justin replaced by Doyle also correct.

So he as learned something, but WTF goes wrong ?

l'm thinking its the midfield who just become lazy as soon as we get a lead. KDH is our engine, but he just stops, loses concentration and we fall apart. Yunus is too light weight to play centre midfield. The first 20 mins our midfield and forwards win most 50/50 balls, then we lose almost every one after that. We just stop working. We are a lazy side !!!

oh yeh, l forgot Hamza is a liability, needs dropping and staying dropped.
 
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A win is a win but that was dross against a side missing key players
Enzo not changing it up and we are going thru the motions
Having watched the Blades last night we are little better and if we ain’t got the proverbial pot
then we are wasting our time going up
Maresca needs to get a grip on this and Top needs to let the fans know the financial status of the club 😀
 
There's a false sense of arrogance about us that current performances do not justify. I really dislike it and they need to be told that games don't end after 80 minutes.
It's underwhelming, frustrating and shit to watch.
 
I still say they are mentally weak.
Whatever they did or more likely didn't do after scoring, only resulted in us becoming more nervous and offering a team that shouldn't have got near us to gain confidence . You waited and waited for the inevitable to happen, yet somehow we clung on.
Thought Enzo was way too slow to react to a performance that was rapidly going downhill.
That sloppy lethargic start to the 2nd half shouldn't have gone any further than 10 minutes after half time.

You can only hope that this more than dubious win will actually pick them up more than the performance itself.
It was absolutely crucial imo to stop the rot tonight, if it had gone wrong I would have said they were on the verge of a complete implosion.
Problem is they have to do it all again against Hull especially as the rivals are chasing us hard
 
Brauny said:
I still say they are mentally weak.
Whatever they did or more likely didn't do after scoring, only resulted in us becoming more nervous and offering a team that shouldn't have got near us to gain confidence . You waited and waited for the inevitable to happen, yet somehow we clung on.
Thought Enzo was way too slow to react to a performance that was rapidly going downhill.
That sloppy lethargic start to the 2nd half shouldn't have gone any further than 10 minutes after half time.

You can only hope that this more than dubious win will actually pick them up more than the performance itself.
It was absolutely crucial imo to stop the rot tonight, if it had gone wrong I would have said they were on the verge of a complete implosion.
Problem is they have to do it all again against Hull especially as the rivals are chasing us hard
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I doubt anyone seriously thinks we've got much mental robustness, do they?
 
If by a miracle we go up, you can’t let enzo continue to attempt to manage us. He does not show even the smallest of signs that he knows how to influence a game to our favour when it’s running away from us.
I’m not even sure he knows that we are performing abysmally.
 
bnet said:
Vardy instead of our worst player since Junior Lewis.
Coady in for Nelson, correct decision.
Justin replaced by Doyle also correct.

So he as learned something, but WTF goes on ?

l'm thinking its the midfield who just become lazy as soon as we get a lead. KDH is our engine, but he just stops, loses concentration and we fall apart. Yunus id too light weight to play centre midfield. The first 20 our midfield and forwards win most 50/50 balls, then we lose almost every one after that. We just stop working. We are a lazy side !!!

oh yeh, l forgot Hamza is a liability, needs dropping and staying dropped.
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Said it a while back mate we are lacking a leader on the pitch to consolidate the team and inspire them to get to the winning line, someone needs to pick up the challenge instead of passing it backwards to avoid the responsibility of leadership
 
FWIW I watched some of the ipswich game, even though they fell behind they kept trying to win the game, and they did in the end.
Dirty leeds, again not Man City but gave it a real go.
Apparently we did for the first 10 mins, then clung on for 80 mins.
 
bnet said:
Vardy instead of our worst player since Junior Lewis.
Coady in for Nelson, correct decision.
Justin replaced by Doyle also correct.

So he as learned something, but WTF goes on ?

l'm thinking its the midfield who just become lazy as soon as we get a lead. KDH is our engine, but he just stops, loses concentration and we fall apart. Yunus id too light weight to play centre midfield. The first 20 our midfield and forwards win most 50/50 balls, then we lose almost every one after that. We just stop working. We are a lazy side !!!

oh yeh, l forgot Hamza is a liability, needs dropping and staying dropped.
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bnet said:
Vardy instead of our worst player since Junior Lewis.
Coady in for Nelson, correct decision.
Justin replaced by Doyle also correct.

So he as learned something, but WTF goes on ?

l'm thinking its the midfield who just become lazy as soon as we get a lead. KDH is our engine, but he just stops, loses concentration and we fall apart. Yunus id too light weight to play centre midfield. The first 20 our midfield and forwards win most 50/50 balls, then we lose almost every one after that. We just stop working. We are a lazy side !!!

oh yeh, l forgot Hamza is a liability, needs dropping and staying dropped.
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💯, been thinking about this for a few games, our midfield has no structure whatsoever, KDH Literally running around like a headless chicken wasting his final ball and then standing there moaning to anyone who will listen to him!! Winks! I don't really understand what's happened to him lately yellow card waiting to happen,never gets anywhere near the opposition box, suddenly giving the ball away far too easy. Hamza!!!!!!!! Just don't get the obsession with this bloke? Every previous manager has either tried to sell him or not used him , even Watford couldn't be bothered with him but Enzo seems him as his go too man for everything.
 
IF we go up and with the financial issues hanging over is, it would seem unlikely that they will be able to do much to make the much needed changes for the prem.
Unless Enzo learns quickly the only thing I can see them doing is having a new manager with a totally different approach, albeit with pretty much the same squad.
That said, earlier this season and at other times they have looked good, so it seems they are capable of playing to a decent level.
What needs addressing is this horrendous drop off in games.
Like last night, we can start well and take command.
We can outplay an opponent and look like a team at the top. Then rather than put in a 90 minute performance we just lose our way.
Any intensity inexplicably drops. We either start sitting on a lead ( if we have got one) or fail to keep troubling the opposition.
Suddenly it's like the opponent thinks ' hang on a minute we don't need to show these so much respect let's have a go' and then we start to crumble like flat track bullies do when asked questions.
If we get a two goal lead we'll win with ease, anything less then the manager does not seem to react adequately to his own players performances slumping.
Top managers react to what they see, they are not afraid to use substitutions early doors if players are not performing.
There is a time for game management, but not after 20-30 minutes FFS !!! Go out and try and bury the opponent, save all the unnecessary angst.
It won't always work because it's not that simple, but the worst thing you can do is to do nothing.
That's exactly what we are seeing over much of the second half of this season, it's the same record playing and maybe through inexperience the man at the helm is looking like a rabbit in the headlights.
There can't be a season where we have done so well and yet with such a level of stress and in many ways dissatisfaction with it.
It's not been the nice and glorious ride it should be.
 
It is a complete paradox - top of the league with people calling for the manager's head!
What I think happens with managers is that they get arrogant and become very reluctant to change things and maybe admit that their tactics were wrong. Happened all the time with Rodgers. Gradually it sucks the life out of players who are instructed to keep doing the same things even when they are chasing the game. Similar with Choudhury who is Maresco's talisman. In many decent sides there is a player who the manager seems to think can do no wrong but where the supporters can't see why they keep getting picked. It is as if they make it their mission to improve the player; Taylor-Lewis, George Graham-Perry Groves, Rodgers-Amartey, Brian Little and Martin O'Neill had quite a few of those too.
 
Breadfan said:
It is a complete paradox - top of the league with people calling for the manager's head!
What I think happens with managers is that they get arrogant and become very reluctant to change things and maybe admit that their tactics were wrong. Happened all the time with Rodgers. Gradually it sucks the life out of players who are instructed to keep doing the same things even when they are chasing the game. Similar with Choudhury who is Maresco's talisman. In many decent sides there is a player who the manager seems to think can do no wrong but where the supporters can't see why they keep getting picked. It is as if they make it their mission to improve the player; Taylor-Lewis, George Graham-Perry Groves, Rodgers-Amartey, Brian Little and Martin O'Neill had quite a few of those too.
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Don't remember MON favouring any duds. Maybe Impey? You could say Sav who was rubbish at first but he did improve him.
 
Brauny said:
IF we go up and with the financial issues hanging over is, it would seem unlikely that they will be able to do much to make the much needed changes for the prem.
Unless Enzo learns quickly the only thing I can see them doing is having a new manager with a totally different approach, albeit with pretty much the same squad.
That said, earlier this season and at other times they have looked good, so it seems they are capable of playing to a decent level.
What needs addressing is this horrendous drop off in games.
Like last night, we can start well and take command.
We can outplay an opponent and look like a team at the top. Then rather than put in a 90 minute performance we just lose our way.
Any intensity inexplicably drops. We either start sitting on a lead ( if we have got one) or fail to keep troubling the opposition.
Suddenly it's like the opponent thinks ' hang on a minute we don't need to show these so much respect let's have a go' and then we start to crumble like flat track bullies do when asked questions.
If we get a two goal lead we'll win with ease, anything less then the manager does not seem to react adequately to his own players performances slumping.
Top managers react to what they see, they are not afraid to use substitutions early doors if players are not performing.
There is a time for game management, but not after 20-30 minutes FFS !!! Go out and try and bury the opponent, save all the unnecessary angst.
It won't always work because it's not that simple, but the worst thing you can do is to do nothing.
That's exactly what we are seeing over much of the second half of this season, it's the same record playing and maybe through inexperience the man at the helm is looking like a rabbit in the headlights.
There can't be a season where we have done so well and yet with such a level of stress and in many ways dissatisfaction with it.
It's not been the nice and glorious ride it should be.
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In a nutshell, it’s mentality, not so much talent that’s the problem.
I’m not at all saying we are really good by the way, but it seems clear we have a huge mentality issue, yes in the players, but far more worryingly in the man who’s in charge of them.
 
OldFox said:
Don't remember MON favouring any duds. Maybe Impey? You could say Sav who was rubbish at first but he did improve him.
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I was thinking about Savage, but O'Neill made him into a better player than he ever should have been. Rob Ullathorn didn't exactly set the world alight when he arrived but I guess was solid enough as were Graham Fenton and Scott Taylor.
You are right - he didn't sign bad players unlike some of his immediate predecessors.
 
Breadfan said:
I was thinking about Savage, but O'Neill made him into a better player than he ever should have been. Rob Ullathorn didn't exactly set the world alight when he arrived but I guess was solid enough as were Graham Fenton and Scott Taylor.
You are right - he didn't sign bad players unlike some of his immediate predecessors.
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Better memory than me!
 
Take your pick from this lot. Arguably, even some of the failures contributed to a crucial moment during MON's time.

Mad to think that Eadie was his costliest signing, yet probably played so few games for us.

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Martin O'Neill - Purchased players

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Breadfan said:
I was thinking about Savage, but O'Neill made him into a better player than he ever should have been. Rob Ullathorn didn't exactly set the world alight when he arrived but I guess was solid enough as were Graham Fenton and Scott Taylor.
You are right - he didn't sign bad players unlike some of his immediate predecessors.
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Scott Taylor was not bought by O'Neill.
 
I’m not a fan of Choudhury but if he isn’t played when we have an injury in the defence or midfield who do we play?
 
Brauny said:
I still say they are mentally weak.
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They ain't much better physically as well
They need Jocks Hill ..... apart from Vardy and Winks there are all relitively young so
They'll need better fitness levels for the Premiership They run around like stags on heat
 
Mistryman said:
Take your pick from this lot. Arguably, even some of the failures contributed to a crucial moment during MON's time.

Mad to think that Eadie was his costliest signing, yet probably played so few games for us.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Martin O'Neill - Purchased players

Diese Übersicht listet alle Spieler auf, die während aller Amtszeiten des Trainers Martin O'Neill verpflichtet wurden.
www.transfermarkt.co.uk www.transfermarkt.co.uk
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Darren Eadie picked a knee injury up whilst still at Norwich.
He only played about 40 times for us and had constant knee problems causing him to retire at 28.
It was a shame we never saw the best of him.
A good player who could have given us a lot more had it been for his forced early retirement.
 
blackthorn8 said:
They ain't much better physically as well
They need Jocks Hill ..... apart from Vardy and Winks there are all relitively young so
They'll need better fitness levels for the Premiership They run around like stags on heat
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There really is no excuse for it.
We have amongst the best facilities in the Country, they should be all in prime fitness.
 
Breadfan said:
I was thinking about Savage, but O'Neill made him into a better player than he ever should have been. Rob Ullathorn didn't exactly set the world alight when he arrived but I guess was solid enough as were Graham Fenton and Scott Taylor.
You are right - he didn't sign bad players unlike some of his immediate predecessors.
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It was so unfortunate for Ullathorne that he got injured on his debut. We didn't see the best of him as he never recovered properly.
 
Breadfan said:
I was thinking about Savage, but O'Neill made him into a better player than he ever should have been. Rob Ullathorn didn't exactly set the world alight when he arrived but I guess was solid enough as were Graham Fenton and Scott Taylor.
You are right - he didn't sign bad players unlike some of his immediate predecessors.
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Apparently MON told his players never to pass to Savage and was apoplectic when one did.
 
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