What's formed your opinion on Covid?

Richardvanles

Richardvanles

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What Boris tells you?
What the BBC tells you?
What SAGE tells you?
What other msn groups including newspapers tell you?
What (for want of a better phrase) the conspiracy websites tell you?
What your own experiences tell you?
 
My own experiences, I only know of one person who has had it and they’re fine.
I’m not doubting other people’s experiences at all, this is just mine.
 
My own experiences. I would have thought that in a pandemic i would have personally known someone who has had it. And those friends of friends who have been told they have it aren't ill.
 
Quite obvious where most of the others formed their opinion 🙂
Mine is through my own experience
Classed as a key worker I've worked mostly since the start (2 bouts of forced self isolation)
Up until recently only one confirmed case at work with around 400 staff.
The one case the partner works at the same company and tested negative.
One guy self isolated for 6 months due to him being vulnerable (had cancer 5 years ago) he came back to work two weeks ago wearing the full face mask was dead strict on social distancing etc etc. Went home sick a week ago. Called me up a few days later and said he's tested positive.
We also have one other case at the moment.
Wife works as a nurse practitioner. Visiting patients throughout her shift st home and in care homes. I posted on the other forum months ago saying that the old are being sent to these care homes to die. A good month to six weeks before the msn broke the story. (Anyone can check)
So she was expected to change PPE in the street and go to her next visit in a car shared with another nurse. It was only a matter of time before she got it. Which she tested positive and got her result the same day they opened the tests up for key workers.
So I booked a test straight away and got a time slot the following day before the system crashed.
I tested negative.
I guess I've become a ninja at socially distancing from my wife over the last ten years so felt quite proud of myself until the experience with the co worker that had the same result.
So in my experience yes the virus is very real. But seems it quite hard to catch if you're relatively fit.
Yes it kills people but generally it people with underlying factors (age etc) so why crash and burn the whole economy that is plebs will be paying back for years.
Then you hear that consultants are on £25'000 a day. Government mates are given contracts for vast sums of money without penalties and any experience in the field they've been awarded the contracts or job.
Might not make the rest of you wonder but it certainly makes me wonder.
 
Richardvanles said:
What Boris tells you?
What the BBC tells you?
What SAGE tells you?
What other msn groups including newspapers tell you?
What (for want of a better phrase) the conspiracy websites tell you?
What your own experiences tell you?
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My main source of news and analysis is the Financial Times online edition. It reports on what the PM and SAGE are saying, among other sources and agencies. It sometimes looks at what the 'alternative' media outlets are saying too. We get the Times on Saturday as well.

At work our Chief Medical Officer provides regular briefings which are very informative, although obviously they are mainly focused on the impact for our organisation and staff.

As for my own experiences I know one person who had it early on and while not hospitalised she's really struggled to recover - over 60 but otherwise in good health with no other major risk factors. One other friend reckons he had it but although he's in poor health I am not sure that was actually what was wrong with him. Also a guy in my team and his wife had it. I think the current reported case rate is something like 1 in 100 and I can't decide if that means it's surprising not to know anyone who's had it, or whether it's a sufficiently scarce thing (and also clustered to some extent) for it to be quite feasible not to know someone. You'd think in an area like Leicester where there's reportedly a high rate that most people would know (or at least know of) someone who's had it.
 
Richardvanles said:
Quite obvious where most of the others formed their opinion 🙂
Mine is through my own experience
Classed as a key worker I've worked mostly since the start (2 bouts of forced self isolation)
Up until recently only one confirmed case at work with around 400 staff.
The one case the partner works at the same company and tested negative.
One guy self isolated for 6 months due to him being vulnerable (had cancer 5 years ago) he came back to work two weeks ago wearing the full face mask was dead strict on social distancing etc etc. Went home sick a week ago. Called me up a few days later and said he's tested positive.
We also have one other case at the moment.
Wife works as a nurse practitioner. Visiting patients throughout her shift st home and in care homes. I posted on the other forum months ago saying that the old are being sent to these care homes to die. A good month to six weeks before the msn broke the story. (Anyone can check)
So she was expected to change PPE in the street and go to her next visit in a car shared with another nurse. It was only a matter of time before she got it. Which she tested positive and got her result the same day they opened the tests up for key workers.
So I booked a test straight away and got a time slot the following day before the system crashed.
I tested negative.
I guess I've become a ninja at socially distancing from my wife over the last ten years so felt quite proud of myself until the experience with the co worker that had the same result.
So in my experience yes the virus is very real. But seems it quite hard to catch if you're relatively fit.
Yes it kills people but generally it people with underlying factors (age etc) so why crash and burn the whole economy that is plebs will be paying back for years.
Then you hear that consultants are on £25'000 a day. Government mates are given contracts for vast sums of money without penalties and any experience in the field they've been awarded the contracts or job.
Might not make the rest of you wonder but it certainly makes me wonder.
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I'd be very surprised if any consultant is on £25,000/day.
 
Richardvanles said:
www.google.co.uk

Five-person team gets £25k a day to work on Test and Trace system

Sky News has further revelations about the sums of money being raked in by private consultants working on the £12bn scheme.
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk

Sorry five man team so only £5k a day £25k a week. They need a pay rise and a clap every Thursday
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These figures are for the fees being paid to the consulting firm (BCG in this case), not what the team members are being paid (obviously they will be doing OK, to put it mildly, compared to most of us).
 
I know 2 people personally that had it. One is 72, was in ICU on a ventilator, his wife told to expect the worse. He recovered but still a bit frail from it. Was fairly fit before, a regular golfer. The other is 38, no underlying issues. Was also in ICU on a ventilator. Recovered and back to how he was before he caught it. So yes, it is real and it's not just flu.
I do hate the way this Govt are siphoning off billions into the pockets of their chums. They are corrupt, but they would find a way of doing it without Covid, ie Brexit. What a surprise we're going for no-deal. Covid just brought their chance to fill their pockets forward by a year.
 
Can only go on personal experience.

Know 5 people in one workplace that had Covid. Three of them are experiencing "Long Covid". Blisters, shortness of breath, loss of senses of smell and taste etc. One had a pre-existing condition. Know four other people that have tested positive. All of them have had no adverse effects. One person I trust, says there has been a case in Leicester of re-infection with Covid. Tested positive back in April. Tested negative after a while. Tested positive again many weeks later. All verified, as on a clinical trial.
 
So do we concur that we should take off the masks, reopen the pubs and restaurants, and get back to what we considered 'normal'.
 
sixthswan said:
Can only go on personal experience.

Know 5 people in one workplace that had Covid. Three of them are experiencing "Long Covid". Blisters, shortness of breath, loss of senses of smell and taste etc. One had a pre-existing condition. Know four other people that have tested positive. All of them have had no adverse effects. One person I trust, says there has been a case in Leicester of re-infection with Covid. Tested positive back in April. Tested negative after a while. Tested positive again many weeks later. All verified, as on a clinical trial.
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So does reinfection mean we have to live like this forever? At what point do we say enough is enough?
 
mac said:
The wife has just got back from work.

Took her off the COVID ward, only 7 patients out of the 28 bed capacity taken
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I'm hearing similar things from NHS friends. The only way those beds are going to get full to capacity; is if the elderly or the most vulnerable get the disease. Find a way to protect them and let life carry on as usual for everyone else.
 
sixthswan said:
I'm hearing similar things from NHS friends. The only way those beds are going to get full to capacity; is if the elderly or the most vulnerable get the disease. Find a way to protect them and let life carry on as usual for everyone else.
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Yep let's get back to normal. Anyone vulnerable give them a choice, self isolate to what extent they want, support them financially, give them free iPads or an Xbox or Netflix or whatever it is that floats their boat. Meals on wheels and we just get on with it. Beca whole lot cheaper than this complete car crash
 
Covid 19 is undoubtably real. It is a mutated virus along the lines of SARs and bird flu that is often refered to as 'seasonal flu'. We get them every winter along with colds and 'regular influenza'.

Covid 19 is not exceptionally virulent, it culls the elderly and infirm in a way that used to be called 'dying of old age'.

The numbers are scary because they are large and misunderstood, also the government uses them with a disturbing lack of precision. For example, a couple or so weeks ago when the government started going on about the 'increase' in 'cases' they were testing about 250,000 people a day.

These tests produced some fake positives, typically between 0.8 and 4.3%. So we would expect between 2000 and 10750 positives even if there was no actual covid. The tests produced around 7000 to 7500 positives, pretty much in the middle of the range for false positives. Also, the tests use higher number of cycles than is recommended, pushing false positives higher still.

Covid 19 is real, nasty in some cases, but statistically very rare.

The government know this so why are they trashing the economy and wrecking our way of life?
 
AFCDorset said:
Covid 19 is undoubtably real. It is a mutated virus along the lines of SARs and bird flu that is often refered to as 'seasonal flu'. We get them every winter along with colds and 'regular influenza'.

Covid 19 is not exceptionally virulent, it culls the elderly and infirm in a way that used to be called 'dying of old age'.

The numbers are scary because they are large and misunderstood, also the government uses them with a disturbing lack of precision. For example, a couple or so weeks ago when the government started going on about the 'increase' in 'cases' they were testing about 250,000 people a day.

These tests produced some fake positives, typically between 0.8 and 4.3%. So we would expect between 2000 and 10750 positives even if there was no actual covid. The tests produced around 7000 to 7500 positives, pretty much in the middle of the range for false positives. Also, the tests use higher number of cycles than is recommended, pushing false positives higher still.

Covid 19 is real, nasty in some cases, but statistically very rare.

The government know this so why are they trashing the economy and wrecking our way of life?
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Your last comment is the bit I don't understand. Why crash and burn the economy. Then we start going down rabbit holes. Then anyone who questions the government narrative is removed banned or limited from social media.
 
AFCDorset said:
Covid 19 is real, nasty in some cases, but statistically very rare.

The government know this so why are they trashing the economy and wrecking our way of life?
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I'm coming round to the way of thinking about it not being that harmful to the general population. However, my mum has COPD, so does the mother in law. Many other elderly people or those with underlying illnesses are at risk. Are we to expect them to isolate forever, at least until an effective way of treating it is discovered. *Covers head%* or a vaccine.

I don't know why they are trashing the economy. I don't get the global reset. There's too many different political ideologies for there to be enough people in on it to wield enough power.
 
Social Media is awash with people who are questioning the government narrative.

Social Media firms are only going to remove the worst stuff, such as dangerous misinformation and hate crime baloney.

But in the end a Social Media company can ban whatever it likes. They pay the bills for the servers, fund the wages of staff and own the website real estate. They are not news outlets and have no obligation to be fair or impartial. They are businesses. To them, stuff they don't like the look of is graffiti, on the side of their building.

In many ways, Social Media firms don't do enough culling of posts. But of course in the end, high volume usage is money for these firms.

There is some right shite out there, in the public domain. Yes, there is the freedom of speech thing. But if you want real freedom of speech on the internet, then you need to fund it yourself. That's the servers, data architecture, staffing, legal expenses, dealing with traffic volumes etc. You also need to become your own ISP. Good luck with that...

Otherwise you are writing on another persons property and they might make you stop at any time.
 
Richard. It's a serious question. The government are weak on the technicalities but they know that Covid 19 is really not that big a thing.

They look to me like a government that is being taken down a route it really does not want to go down. They are planning on implementing some serious shit whatever you choose to call it.

Club_BOO. You are kind of missing the point, lots of older people have underlying morbidities, they are at risk from everything, I have tachycardia, so definitely at risk. I may well catch something that could cause a stroke and kill me, but it could be anything.

As for the 'different ideologies' argument, this is just the way the reset is implemented, it is the methodology, not the reason.
 
Social media is a platform, not a publisher. It can take down posts that break the law but not posts that the disagree with for political and social reasons. The moment they do that they are no longer a platform.

Censoring their output, as they are currently doing, is the act of a publisher, they need to be reclassified as such . Like any publisher they would become liable for acts of libel, misrepresentation etc.

Or stop censoring postings, either way is fine by me.
 
It’s like I said before and got shot down for it, this whole lockdown thing is to protect the NHS.

It’s protect the hospitals and the government from having to turn away very sick people to die at home. If people are left to live a normal life before long those who are vulnerable will catch it from family or friends and be in need of care. I include some that might have health issues that are as yet undetected.

Well that’s what I think anyway.
 
DagenhamFox said:
It’s like I said before and got shot down for it, this whole lockdown thing is to protect the NHS.

It’s protect the hospitals and the government from having to turn away very sick people to die at home. If people are left to live a normal life before long those who are vulnerable will catch it from family or friends and be in need of care. I include some that might have health issues that are as yet undetected.

Well that’s what I think anyway.
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Which is your opinion but the question was how did you form that opinion? From Boris, the msn, nutty, websites, or personal experience?
 
Science, common sense and seeing what other countries have done.
I had a friend that died from it, he was 66. He caught it, went into a coma, and never woke up.
I had a relative die in March in the UK (of natural causes), but i was unable to attend the funeral due to the Covid restrictions at the time.
I have a few friends in Sweden who think their government have done an awful job of managing it there.
I don't really understand the political dimension of it, it's a virus, what is political about a virus?
I understand the economic impact on people, I'm lucky, i already work from home, and my company has not been affected.
My wife has to go to her office. We've had two exposures leading to two 2 week quarantines for her.
she's had one covid test and one antibody test. The Covid was negative but the antibody was positive meaning she's had it.
Both of us were really ill in January so we may have had it then.
I might get the antibody test done too, although the fact that you can get it twice doesn't fill me with hope.
Since march 16th i've seen no friends or relatives other than my wife and kids and my ex wife. The only other people i interact with are retail staff in shops. The less you interact with others, the less your chance of getting it, and I'm waiting for a vaccine.

However, a lot of my friends here are in the hospitality industry and they've been hit really hard.
Science v economics is difficult to balance, but the UK (and most of the US) have done a terrible job, as the numbers sadly tell us.
 
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Most of the old and vulnerable were given it when the government forced elderly patients, many with obvious covid 19 symptoms back into the care homes to die and infect others. Some were sent to die at home.

This was the primary reason for the sharp peak at the the start of the outbreak, perhaps as many as 20,000 died because of this. That said, most were old and ill, this was just nature taking its course during the winter months. Happens every year, death by old age, sometimes better sometimes worse.

The horrible thing is that each death is strategy to those close or involved, statistically it is a 'nothingburger'.
 
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