Watneys & Guiness breweries in London, circa 1973

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The Watney's Red & Party 7 thread got me thinking

When most Roofers were just young lads, Watney's was a power-house in UK beer, now (just like British Leyland), a brand resigned to the history books (for good reason)

Watney's Red was the #1 brand based on volumes drunk, back in the md-70's, but it was pretty horrible beer, compared to the flavourful craft-ales & European lagers we enjoy today..... but hat's all we had available......a few mass produced ales, stouts and milds, available in room-temperature casks /(draught), bottles and cans.

Lagers came later as British holiday-makers travelled to Spain and enjoyed the cold, crisp lagers essential in a hot climate, and demand for these refreshing lager-beers in CO2 dispensed kegs, came to the domestic beer scene.

Watney's in Norwich was one of my customers in the 1970's..... the side street that ran next to the brewery was part of Norwich's 'red light district', so if you were working night shift, you could wolf-whistle at the girls out of the Bottling Hall windows and have some banter and some of the workers would even negotiate best price for a quick 'knee trembler' on their break, only a Fiver........ so I heard ;)

One of the biggest UK breweries was Watney's Mortlake, which Dagenham Fox and Soho may know. Right next to the Thames, as they used to transport barrels of beer by barge, 150 years ago, and the Bat Race used to pass feet away from this historic old brewery.

Went back a few years ago and it's now a Budweiser plant, with only about a quarter of the old brewery work-force, due to automation.

Old pubs down the side streets near the Mortlake brewery that we used to go for lunch in, circa 1980 (eg. The Ship), will be long-gone now, I'm sure.

The oldest brewery in that central / west London area was Guiness, which was like a scene from a Charles Dickens book.... all damp & dripping brick lined cellars, and mountains of kegs waiting to be washed, as back then they shipped them back from places like Africa, to their spiritual homes in Dublin & London
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Biggest brewery was Watney's Mortlake, which Dagenham Fox and Soho may know. Right next to the Thames, as they used to transport barrels of beer by barge, 150 years ago, and the Bat Race used to pass feet away from this historic old brewery.

Went back a few years ago and it's now a Budweiser plant, with only about a quarter of the old brewery work-force, due to automation.

Old pubs down the side streets near the Mortlake brewery that we used to go for lunch in, circa 1980 (eg. The Ship), will be long-gone now, I'm sure.

The oldest brewery in that central / west London area was Guiness, which was like a scene from a Charles Dickens book.... all damp & dripping brick lined cellars, and mountains of kegs waiting to be washed, as back then they shipped them back from places like Africa, to their spiritual homes in Dublin & London
 
I had a design company client for almost twenty years that only existed because of the consolidation of multiple breweries. That process which led to the Big Six or whatever it was, was widely regarded as one of the early 'triumphs' of using branding and advertising to hugely change a sector. I'm told that many independents even tweaked their long-standing beers to try and meet the perceived new tastes and trends. Luckily, some of those independents survived and began thriving – thanks partly to the only actual triumph that came out of the whole sorry consolidation period: CAMRA, which provided the opportunity for my mates to start their firm.
We should be eternally grateful that the likes of Timothy Taylor, Adnams, Wadworths, Harveys, Fullers, Youngs, Shepherd Neame and so on kept the faith.
 
Sadly Fullers and Youngs are no longer independent, now owned by Asahi and Marstons respectively, but the others still fly the flag
 
Yes, Youngs and Charles Wells now in an industrial unit outside Bedford, I believe :(
I used to like getting caught in the Wandsworth traffic behind Youngs' drays in the 80s...

At least Fullers are still brewing at the Griffin in Chiswick. Time will tell though – still early days...
 
Wombat, The Ship, Mortlake is still going strong.

BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bruin - thanks for the link. Great to see The Ship is still going
It's been 40 years since i was in there and noted two things from the pub's web-site
1. Now owned by Greene King.... GK were my clients in the 1980's also, with breweries in Biggleswade and Bury St. Edmunds.
2. Out of the 40 dishes on today's bar-menu, they just have two dishes remaining, I enjoyed with the brewers back then......ham, egg & chips, and Bangers & Mash.
 
Ruddles is now owned by either Charles Wells or Greene King. The name might still be going but it tastes nothing like the original because it is made with different water. A pint of Ruddles County was a truly wonderful thing, we used to have trips round the brewery at Langham, great piss ups.
 
Greene King are also now owned by some foreign lot. They were very acquisitive for a lengthy spell – they bought Beards in Lewes, and so have more pubs than Harvey's in the latter's home town – which just seems very wrong.
 
Yes, Youngs and Charles Wells now in an industrial unit outside Bedford, I believe :(
I used to like getting caught in the Wandsworth traffic behind Youngs' drays in the 80s...

At least Fullers are still brewing at the Griffin in Chiswick. Time will tell though – still early days...
Charles Wells was one of my favourite brewery customers to deal with.... large brewery in the centre of town.
Bedford had some great Indian restaurants, and the brewery made large volumes of Red Stripe under contract, for the UK market.
True story.... i would drive down from Leicester around 8.30am to arrive at Charles Wells by 10.00am. I would go into the plant and perform all my required work tasks before lunch.
Meet up with the brewers in the 'sample room' at 11.30am, where we would participate in the taste testing until 12.45pm. We had 2-3 pints BEFORE going out for lunch.... a couple more pints and some food, then back to the brewery around 3.00pm to drop off my clients. They would say, drive round the back..... then one of them would nip inside the warehouse and bring me out a case of Wells Fargo, Bombadier or Red Stripe & put it in my car, to say thanks for lunch.
I would then have a vey nervous drive back up to Leicester, with 5-6 pints in my system!!! Would absolutely brick it if ever seeing a Police Car.
Would never have more than one beer if i'm driving today, but socially acceptable/unacceptable behaviour was very different back then.
 
Ruddles is now owned by either Charles Wells or Greene King. The name might still be going but it tastes nothing like the original because it is made with different water. A pint of Ruddles County was a truly wonderful thing, we used to have trips round the brewery at Langham, great piss ups.
Knew Ruddles, Langham, very well as I lived in Melton
Truly excellent beer Ruddles County & IPA, brewery owned & operated by the aristocratic Ruddles family
Then with the craft beer revolution, some of the large brewery chains bought out some of the small, well respected beer brands and gab a slice of the market.
Not sure who's portfolio Ruddles falls in now, but back then, they were bought out by Grolsch
I
 
Knew Ruddles, Langham, very well as I lived in Melton
Truly excellent beer Ruddles County & IPA, brewery owned & operated by the aristocratic Ruddles family
Then with the craft beer revolution, some of the large brewery chains bought out some of the small, well respected beer brands and gab a slice of the market.
Not sure who's portfolio Ruddles falls in now, but back then, they were bought out by Grolsch
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I too lived in Melton, used to have a flat above the building society next to the White Hart, proper spit and sawdust pub and great Marstons Pedigree, mind you it wasn’t great for the old Jonny Giles😟😟
 
I've recommended the urbex websites before for photos of old leicestershire. There's a great report entitled "victoriantower breweries of the UK 2006 to 2016"showing the destruction of the independents over time.
 
Charles Wells was one of my favourite brewery customers to deal with.... large brewery in the centre of town.
Bedford had some great Indian restaurants, and the brewery made large volumes of Red Stripe under contract, for the UK market.
True story.... i would drive down from Leicester around 8.30am to arrive at Charles Wells by 10.00am. I would go into the plant and perform all my required work tasks before lunch.
Meet up with the brewers in the 'sample room' at 11.30am, where we would participate in the taste testing until 12.45pm. We had 2-3 pints BEFORE going out for lunch.... a couple more pints and some food, then back to the brewery around 3.00pm to drop off my clients. They would say, drive round the back..... then one of them would nip inside the warehouse and bring me out a case of Wells Fargo, Bombadier or Red Stripe & put it in my car, to say thanks for lunch.
I would then have a vey nervous drive back up to Leicester, with 5-6 pints in my system!!! Would absolutely brick it if ever seeing a Police Car.
Would never have more than one beer if i'm driving today, but socially acceptable/unacceptable behaviour was very different back then.
Agreed – very dangerous to go out drinking with brewery men. I used to think that a pre-requisite for any job with a brewery was the ability to drink anyone under the table. I developed my theory from painful first-hand personal experience at the hands of Mssrs Fullers and Bass, mainly... 🤮
 
I too lived in Melton, used to have a flat above the building society next to the White Hart, proper spit and sawdust pub and great Marstons Pedigree, mind you it wasn’t great for the old Jonny Giles😟😟
George - funny you mention that...... coming back to UK to visit friends & family, and craving some real English draught ale, not available in US or Canada, The White Hart was often my first venue for some Martson's Pedigree on tap, followed by a short walk to the Wise Plaice for some great fish & chips!
 
Agreed – very dangerous to go out drinking with brewery men. I used to think that a pre-requisite for any job with a brewery was the ability to drink anyone under the table. I developed my theory from painful first-hand personal experience at the hands of Mssrs Fullers and Bass, mainly... 🤮
I was only a young lad, early 20's, and not a seasoned drinker. You definitely didn't want to drink coke or orange juice, while your peers necked it back, but if I was out with the Brewers, when getting a round, I would often take halves after the first pint, and top up my pint glass.
That way i maybe got away with consuming 3-4 pints while everyone else soaked up 6-7 pints, and everyone was happy ;)

If you remember Filbo, back in the 70's Burton on Trent was a town full of breweries Allied, Bass, etc would just back on to each other.
It would have been smart from a travel perspective to drive up from Leics & do one brewery customer in the morning, then a different one in the afternoon, but with a 'brewers lunch' most days from 11am - 3.00pm, I never made any plans requiring clear thought and actions, after Noon!!!
 
don't ever recall going to a game.... was it the branding / sponsoring of League cup, like the Milk Cup or Carabao Cup?
 
Watney Mann Invitational Cup,
Final 1970 - Derby County 4 Manchester Utd 1 (Baseball Ground)
Final 1971 - Colchester United 4 WBA 4 (Colchester 4-3 on penalties) (Hawthorns)
Final 1972 - Bristol Rovers 0 Sheffield United 0 (Bristol Rovers 7-6 on penalties) (Eastville Stadium)
Final 1973 - Stoke City 2 Hull City 0 (Victoria Ground).
Other Participents - Wolves,West Ham,Carlisle,Luton,Blackpool,Burnley,Bristol City,Fulham,Reading,Halifax Town,Wrexham,Notts County,Plymouth Argyle,Aldershot,Peterborough Utd,Crewe Alex,Lincoln City,Mansfield Town.
 
Remember Mackerson ad in the 70s - ‘Looks good, tastes good, and by golly it does you good!’ Didn’t like the taste much 😖
 
Remember Mackerson ad in the 70s - ‘Looks good, tastes good, and by golly it does you good!’ Didn’t like the taste much 😖

Because of the iron content, it was recommended during the 50s for pregnant ladies. My grandad used to get a stock in when my mum was expecting Baby Bear.

I could wrap my old grandad round my finger, so would persuade him that I had an iron deficiency too. He'd open the bottle and pour me a frothy one, I'd take a good old slurp then run to the mirror to see if I looked like Mr Pastry.

Kin'ell, I knew how to have fun!

BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Ruddles is now owned by either Charles Wells or Greene King. The name might still be going but it tastes nothing like the original because it is made with different water. A pint of Ruddles County was a truly wonderful thing, we used to have trips round the brewery at Langham, great piss ups.

Morlands at Abingdon bought Ruddles and Greene King bought Morlands. Production is now in Bury St Edmunds.

I’ve done the brewery tour there, brewing on a massive scale. One lesser known fact is they change the water to the PH of the water of the original brew. Of course it’ll still be different but they do their utmost to supply beer the same as it was at the original brewery.

In the case of Ruddles what I don’t know is whether the water PH is taken from Langham or Abingdon.

Bury St Edmunds is a great little town well worth a night away.
 
Because of the iron content, it was recommended during the 50s for pregnant ladies. My grandad used to get a stock in when my mum was expecting Baby Bear.

I could wrap my old grandad round my finger, so would persuade him that I had an iron deficiency too. He'd open the bottle and pour me a frothy one, I'd take a good old slurp then run to the mirror to see if I looked like Mr Pastry.

Kin'ell, I knew how to have fun!

BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Bruin when I had my motorbike crash and smashed my right leg up one of the District Nurses suggested Mrs Dags to go out and buy some Guinness for me. She said a bottle or a can every couple of days and the iron within would do my healing no harm. She’s a good girl and followed the advice. Given I healed pretty well I would agree. Guinness is indeed good for you. (y)
 
@Bruin when I had my motorbike crash and smashed my right leg up one of the District Nurses suggested Mrs Dags to go out and buy some Guinness for me. She said a bottle or a can every couple of days and the iron within would do my healing no harm. She’s a good girl and followed the advice. Given I healed pretty well I would agree. Guinness is indeed good for you. (y)
Is that a misprint? Don't you mean every couple of hours? ;)

BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Morlands at Abingdon bought Ruddles and Greene King bought Morlands. Production is now in Bury St Edmunds.

I’ve done the brewery tour there, brewing on a massive scale. One lesser known fact is they change the water to the PH of the water of the original brew. Of course it’ll still be different but they do their utmost to supply beer the same as it was at the original brewery.

In the case of Ruddles what I don’t know is whether the water PH is taken from Langham or Abingdon.

Bury St Edmunds is a great little town well worth a night away.

Yes, Bury St Edmunds is a nice market town..... used to have three-day business trips to the East Anglia breweries

Would stay overnight after a day at GK brewery (c/w brewers lunch).

Then next day drive to Tolly Cobbold in Ipswich and Adnams in Southwold, before heading home.
 
I remember drinking a whole can of Watneys Party 7 at my Sisters house in LFE in the mid 70s, I was about 16 and supposed to be babysitting, for some reason I locked them out, wouldn’t let anyone in the house and the Brother in law had to climb through a bedroom window, don’t think I drank again for about 18 months. Did try Watneys again but it’s was the 7 pint can of Mild, never touched the bloody stuff again...
 
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