Vaccine Passports

BBC News - Covid vaccine to be required for England care home staff https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57492264
Excellent .Common sense prevailing . Getting more optimistic we might be out of this by autumn . Hopefully extend vaccine passports over next few weeks for travel , mass indoor events and personal care workers .
As long as it’s not mandatory snd people can then make their choice .
 
Excellent .Common sense prevailing . Getting more optimistic we might be out of this by autumn . Hopefully extend vaccine passports over next few weeks for travel , mass indoor events and personal care workers .
As long as it’s not mandatory snd people can then make their choice .
Morning Fg, please explain...

How is having to take the jab in order to keep your job not mandatory?
 
Some corporates have been looking at this for a while

As predicted some time ago, no jab, no job. It is definitely coming, NHS staff next, though for the moment a fair number seem quite hesita
Absolute madness that Care homes wouldn’t protect elderly vulnerable residents by insisting those who work there significantly reduce their risk of passing on an infection that has claimed thousands of lives .
 
Morning Fg, please explain...

How is having to take the jab in order to keep your job not mandatory?
Err . Do another job ? You know one where you are not risking the lives of your customers every day ?
Another example -I checked my dentist had both doses before an appointment last week , You reduce your risk wherever you can and live with it .
 
Err . Do another job ? You know one where you are not risking the lives of your customers every day ?
Another example -I checked my dentist had both doses before an appointment last week , You reduce your risk wherever you can and live with it .
I think FG was talking about passports.
When you start from the premise that SARS-Cov-2 is a dangerous disease that has claimed 'thousands of lives' and that the response dictated by the authorities and promoted by the media is the right one, then you are lost. Everything the authorities say about covid is a lie.

On the specific case of care home and NHS staff, I would expect the bulk of people in those professions to have natural immunity by now, given all the exposure over the last year and a half.

One of the reasons that some people react badly to the jab whilst most do not, is suspected to be the clash between 'natural' immunity and the immunity produced by the 'vaccine'. This was never tested prior to the runout of the jab, but is being looked at now.

SF... It is all the same with Foxgolfer, he is a true believer, Jim Jones would have loved him.
 
When you start from the premise that SARS-Cov-2 is a dangerous disease that has claimed 'thousands of lives' and that the response dictated by the authorities and promoted by the media is the right one, then you are lost. Everything the authorities say about covid is a lie.

On the specific case of care home and NHS staff, I would expect the bulk of people in those professions to have natural immunity by now, given all the exposure over the last year and a half.

One of the reasons that some people react badly to the jab whilst most do not, is suspected to be the clash between 'natural' immunity and the immunity produced by the 'vaccine'. This was never tested prior to the runout of the jab, but is being looked at now.

SF... It is all the same with Foxgolfer, he is a true believer, Jim Jones would have loved him.
I think your comparison of me to a radicalised cultist applies about a million times more to you and your fellow conspiracy theorists .
Incidentally what is ‘the plan’ . How , for instance, does full crowds at Wimbledon fit in ?
Why are restrictions lifting and why are death rates now reporting so low ?
What is a lie ? Death rates at 1000s a day in January or a handful a day now ? Which is the lie ?
Or maybe - vaccines work ?
 
Err . Do another job ? You know one where you are not risking the lives of your customers every day ?
Another example -I checked my dentist had both doses before an appointment last week , You reduce your risk wherever you can and live with it .
What risk are you reducing if you've had both doses? Surely minor symptoms - a bit of a cold - are all you could possibly suffer now you're protected.
 
I think your comparison of me to a radicalised cultist applies about a million times more to you and your fellow conspiracy theorists .
Incidentally what is ‘the plan’ . How , for instance, does full crowds at Wimbledon fit in ?
Why are restrictions lifting and why are death rates now reporting so low ?
What is a lie ? Death rates at 1000s a day in January or a handful a day now ? Which is the lie ?
Or maybe - vaccines work ?
As I say Fg, you are 100% onboard with the narrative and actually believe that covid has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths rather than simply being 'present' when people die of other things, mainly 'old age'.

I have explained the numbers many times, variations in death rates are normal nothing has happened that indicates that more people are dying than normal, the only thing that was not was the extra deaths back in early 2020 caused by government policy.

People die in the winter months, it happens every year, respiratory illnesses of one sort or another are often the 'immediate' cause but in the main it is simply 'old age'. Re-label them as covid 19 on the death certificate and that is your pandemic, right there.
 
As I say Fg, you are 100% onboard with the narrative and actually believe that covid has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths rather than simply being 'present' when people die of other things, mainly 'old age'.

I have explained the numbers many times, variations in death rates are normal nothing has happened that indicates that more people are dying than normal, the only thing that was not was the extra deaths back in early 2020 caused by government policy.

People die in the winter months, it happens every year, respiratory illnesses of one sort or another are often the 'immediate' cause but in the main it is simply 'old age'. Re-label them as covid 19 on the death certificate and that is your pandemic, right there.
If you have cancer, but are living with it, then covid 19 comes along, and finishes you off, what killed you?
 
If you have cancer, but are living with it, then covid 19 comes along, and finishes you off, what killed you?
I am three and a a half years post op for throat cancer, It is a question that has exercised my mind on many occasions.

Of course the answer to your question can only be determined on a case by case basis. Current procedure is to say covid without any evaluation of the circumstances whatsoever. That is nor right.
 
As I say Fg, you are 100% onboard with the narrative and actually believe that covid has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths rather than simply being 'present' when people die of other things, mainly 'old age'.

I have explained the numbers many times, variations in death rates are normal nothing has happened that indicates that more people are dying than normal, the only thing that was not was the extra deaths back in early 2020 caused by government policy.

People die in the winter months, it happens every year, respiratory illnesses of one sort or another are often the 'immediate' cause but in the main it is simply 'old age'. Re-label them as covid 19 on the death certificate and that is your pandemic, right there.
You never answer simple questions when asked about the ‘plan’ . That’s because there is no ‘ plan ‘

Youve fallen for a ridiculous narrative with zero basis in fact or reality .

For what it’s worth this is my belief
There is an overdue pandemic sweeping the globe
Some countries have had it worse than others largely in line with the competence of their leaders . Ours was one of the worst and we suffered far more than was necessary .
Due to the overwhelming ability of our scientists and throwing all the resources of a wealthy country at it , we have found a way out earlier than most in spite of, not because of our awful political leadership .
Due to Johnson’s pathetic attempt to put his popularity ahead of public health and allowing a dangerous new variant of the virus to take hold he has squandered several weeks when we could have been pretty much back to normal . The MSM including The BBC have been shocking in not calling him to account .
I am optimistic but not counting chickens in a couple of months things will be pretty much ok . At least in the first world .
Until the developing world catches up though we remain very vulnerable .
 
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You never answer simple questions when asked about the ‘plan’ . That’s because there is no ‘ plan ‘

Youve fallen for a ridiculous narrative with zero basis in fact or reality .

For what it’s worth this is my belief
There is an overdue pandemic sweeping the globe
Some countries have had it worse than others largely in line with the competence of their leaders . Ours was one of the worst and we suffered far more than was necessary .
Due to the overwhelming ability of our scientists and throwing all the resources of a wealthy country at it , we have found a way out earlier than most in spite of, not because of our awful political leadership .
Due to Johnson’s pathetic attempt to put his popularity ahead of public health and allowing a dangerous new variant of the virus to take hold he has squandered several weeks when we could have been pretty much back to normal . The MSM including The BBC have been shocking in not calling him to account .
I am optimistic but not counting chickens in a couple of months things will be pretty much ok . At least in the first world .
Until the developing world catches up though we remain very vulnerable .
Hi Foxgolfer.

Much of what you say in the above post is not incorrect, but it is totally irrelevant. The people who really own this country have an agenda, the current government are placemen simply carrying out their instructions.

The 'plan' is simple and obvious and has been so for some time. It is the destruction of the western democratic countries and all that they stand for, everything is to be swept away, their achievements, culture, way of life, everything.

It is to bring in change across all aspects of social, economic and political life and will not be good for ordinary people in those countries. Functioning economies will be broken, family and cultural cohesion destroyed, freedom of thought will be curtailed, travel will be only for the rich, the 'elite'. Any comfort or quality in your life will no longer be under your control, you will, in effect, be serfs, 'you will own nothing and you will be happy'. This is all happening now and is clear if you look around, it is going to get pretty nasty.

What I do not know is, why now? I have my theories but they are just that. I am not totally sure what the endgame is either, but the mantra 'build back better' is the clue, better for whom? Not us obviously.
 
My distrust of anything that any government says , particularly this one is matched by yours to some extent.
Where we totally converge is when you conflate that with the pandemic, which to my mind is undoubtedly very real .
 
Hi Foxgolfer.

Much of what you say in the above post is not incorrect, but it is totally irrelevant. The people who really own this country have an agenda, the current government are placemen simply carrying out their instructions.

The 'plan' is simple and obvious and has been so for some time. It is the destruction of the western democratic countries and all that they stand for, everything is to be swept away, their achievements, culture, way of life, everything.

It is to bring in change across all aspects of social, economic and political life and will not be good for ordinary people in those countries. Functioning economies will be broken, family and cultural cohesion destroyed, freedom of thought will be curtailed, travel will be only for the rich, the 'elite'. Any comfort or quality in your life will no longer be under your control, you will, in effect, be serfs, 'you will own nothing and you will be happy'. This is all happening now and is clear if you look around, it is going to get pretty nasty.

What I do not know is, why now? I have my theories but they are just that. I am not totally sure what the endgame is either, but the mantra 'build back better' is the clue, better for whom? Not us obviously.
FFS
That’s a full on wibble if ever I’ve seen one.
You haven’t come to that conclusion from your ‘observations’.
You don’t watch the telly and that isn’t available via MSM so bitchute?
 
My distrust of anything that any government says , particularly this one is matched by yours to some extent.
Where we totally converge is when you conflate that with the pandemic, which to my mind is undoubtedly very real .
I know Fg, which is why I do not argue the toss with you. I post my views often as an 'alternative' to yours mainly for those who are perhaps less convinced than you are and let them work it out for themselves.
FFS
That’s a full on wibble if ever I’ve seen one.
You haven’t come to that conclusion from your ‘observations’.
You don’t watch the telly and that isn’t available via MSM so bitchute?
Firstly hackney, go through my post and point out any of my observations about what is happening now that are demonstrably untrue.

Most of what I have written is happening in front of our very eyes, the deliberate destruction of our way of life is irrefutable.

The difficulty is in trying to read what this is going to mean in the short and medium term. The country 'owes' close to £3 trillion, we are effectively broke. At some point we will cease to be able to pay our bills and quite possibly the currency will fail, there will be shortages of everything from food to energy and at that point it will get very nasty.

The elite/globalist/world government will position itself to impose order and save us, well some of us anyway. I think that is now close to inevitable, what happens next I genuinely do not know, won't be nice though.
 
I know Fg, which is why I do not argue the toss with you. I post my views often as an 'alternative' to yours mainly for those who are perhaps less convinced than you are and let them work it out for themselves.

Firstly hackney, go through my post and point out any of my observations about what is happening now that are demonstrably untrue.

Most of what I have written is happening in front of our very eyes, the deliberate destruction of our way of life is irrefutable.

The difficulty is in trying to read what this is going to mean in the short and medium term. The country 'owes' close to £3 trillion, we are effectively broke. At some point we will cease to be able to pay our bills and quite possibly the currency will fail, there will be shortages of everything from food to energy and at that point it will get very nasty.

The elite/globalist/world government will position itself to impose order and save us, well some of us anyway. I think that is now close to inevitable, what happens next I genuinely do not know, won't be nice though.
So the elitist plan is actually to destroy themselves?
 
Who exactly are the elitist/global/world government?
What exactly would they gain? I'd assume they're all multi billionaires anyway and are probably currently involved in running/owning the world already, with a workforce that are ignorant of their evil shenanigans. Why turn them into serfs who may rebel?
 
Who exactly are the elitist/global/world government?
What exactly would they gain? I'd assume they're all multi billionaires anyway and are probably currently involved in running/owning the world already, with a workforce that are ignorant of their evil shenanigans. Why turn them into serfs who may rebel?
They are the people who actually own most of the world, high end bankers, multi national corporates, 'tech' giants, ruling families, a few high end politicians.

Such people are not ordinary people like you or I who will happily argue politics over a beer or three but something entirely different. Sociopaths without a doubt, operating on a level with motives we can barely imagine, they simply want to own and control everything. Little else troubles them much.

Unfortunately they now have or are acquiring the means to control the 'serfs' in a way that was unimaginable a generation ago and we are letting them do it.
 
Which high end politicians are we talking about?
Names would be good.

A timeline would help as well. All these claims about what will happen but I need to know when, I'd like to book a holiday somewhere between Freedom Day and becoming a serf. If I time it right I may have one of the last flights ever allowed for the likes of me.
 
They are the people who actually own most of the world, high end bankers, multi national corporates, 'tech' giants, ruling families, a few high end politicians.

i can see how ruling families and politicians fit your narrative.

but what would bankers, and especially tech giants / multi national corporates gain by reducing the population?
 
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