The world has gone mad!!

DagenhamFox

DagenhamFox

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League clubs are allowing some fans into their stadia from this weekend, in bars and in hospitality areas as long as the pitch is not in view.

Vue cinema in Westfield, Stratford is showing the West Ham v Man City match live.

Yet you’re not allowed into a stadium that is in the open air.

Crackers!!

Link - this makes no sense whatsoever.
 
The country has allowed the nutters to take control, who thinks that either the local authorities or the civil service have anything but lunatics in charge .
The lockdowns have achieved zero apart from causing bankruptcies and fraud on a large scale.
 
Agree DF.....how can sitting in a bar or theatre watch a game on the big screen, be healthier that standing in the open air watching a live game.

Just reduce the crowd size to help maintain social distancing, and it's a win-win (some crowd / atmosphere, but not "packed in like Sardinians")
 
Nothing whatsoever to do with public health.

Classic tactics to disrupt and destroy a functional democratic society.

Change the rules, make them complicated, make believe it is for 'the good of the people'.
As people get use to them, change them again and make them even more complex. Keep people confused and off balance.
Blame and shame the people fo not following the rules, 'you're killing your gran', if you do not comply.
Repeat until the economy is destroyed and the people's lives, especially those in the private sector, are wrecked.
Introduce state aid which will morph into a permanent UBI. People are now totally dependent on the state.
'Covid passports' will be introduced, they will develop into 'Passbooks' that will include all 'relevant information'.
Initially these will be used to control international travel, then access to NHS, schools, social housing and jobs.
Soon you will need your passbook to access your bank, enter a supermarket, travel outside your local area etc.
Welcome to serfdom.
 
A season of my best B Movie Matinees is currently showing on Screen 4 , Vue at Westfield. Those idiot Wet Spammers today will probably believe that the red carpet is meant for them. Very irritating!
 
The old gal from Barnsley said "she don't give a sod about Tier 3 rules " nor should any free citizens.
 
Whilst its a fucker and robbery of our rights i work with a bloke whos daughter is 1st year at cardiff uni, she is currently in cardiff icu with covid and in a very bad way, its absolutely rampant down there and according to him there are a lot of young 18-20 year olds who are not well.
 
Definitely one for the conspiracy thread, talking of rights what about the rights of those innocents not to catch Covid and die so some selfish fookers have their freedom.
 
"Innocents" .....If you're frightened of getting it stay home ! Just because you believe the chances of getting it badly are very low does not make you selfish
My lad in first year at Nottingham uni also absolutely rampant there he doesn't know of anyone who was ill even a girl he lives who has suppressed immunity had mild symptoms for just one day
 
My daughter had it in March and is still not fully recovered. Had to drop out of Uni and start all over again nearer home. All this talk of serfdom is the real conspiracy.
 
SardiniaFox said:
My daughter had it in March and is still not fully recovered. Had to drop out of Uni and start all over again nearer home. All this talk of serfdom is the real conspiracy.
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And i think thats just it, the lock down and oppression absolutely sucks but the conspiracy theorists and bnets of the world do need to wind their necks into the severity of it
 
Public health is always difficult to discuss, individual cases and even deaths are tragic to those involved but statistically meaningless, horrible thing to say but true.
'If it saves just one life' is one of the cruelest phrases to appear in the current crisis.

The governments reaction to covid is hopelessly wrong, this is obvious to all but the most entrenched.

Whether this is a conspiracy, a deliberate attempt to crash the economy and replace it with something else or simply total incompetence by our government is open to debate.
 
AFCDorset said:
Nothing whatsoever to do with public health.

Classic tactics to disrupt and destroy a functional democratic society.

Change the rules, make them complicated, make believe it is for 'the good of the people'.
As people get use to them, change them again and make them even more complex. Keep people confused and off balance.
Blame and shame the people fo not following the rules, 'you're killing your gran', if you do not comply.
Repeat until the economy is destroyed and the people's lives, especially those in the private sector, are wrecked.
Introduce state aid which will morph into a permanent UBI. People are now totally dependent on the state.
'Covid passports' will be introduced, they will develop into 'Passbooks' that will include all 'relevant information'.
Initially these will be used to control international travel, then access to NHS, schools, social housing and jobs.
Soon you will need your passbook to access your bank, enter a supermarket, travel outside your local area etc.
Welcome to serfdom.
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Hi AFCD, we touched on this in a different thread. Can you identify examples where a functional democratic society has been disrupted and destroyed by these classic tactics?
 
Harwichfox said:
Definitely one for the conspiracy thread, talking of rights what about the rights of those innocents not to catch Covid and die so some selfish fookers have their freedom.
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What about the ones who's business has failed because the government has shut them down quicker than Kristallinacht.
What about the person who can't feed his or her kids because some selfish fookers can't be bothered to do their own research and listen to the shite the BBC and this corrupt Government drip feed them?
 
SteveYork said:
Hi AFCD, we touched on this in a different thread. Can you identify examples where a functional democratic society has been disrupted and destroyed by these classic tactics?
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Steve, I think what I have been describing is the current process, rather than one that has happened in the past, so there are not really much in the way of completed examples to identify.

Various countries, several of which I have experience, have been moving steadily to the left over the last 40-50 years or so, the 'social democratic' parties in the UK, Europe, Australia/New Zealand along with their left wing 'establishments' have pushed mainstream politics a long way to the left but have done so quite slowly.

This came to a head in 2016, 'populist' pushback in the shape of Trump and Brexit, the emerging agenda of intersectionalism, looked threatened for a moment, but it has been ramped up and up such that it is now virtually the only agenda in education and the public sector. It is used to counter and destroy any figure in these institutions who do not support the Hard Left/Common Purpose viewpoint.

The 'hardcore left' reaction that I talk about has really only really emerged as a practical force in the last 6-7 years but it has come a long way, particularly in the US. It is, I believe driven and financed by globalist money from tech and media giants, organisations such as 'Open Society' and anti western interests in countries like Saudi, Qatar and China.

Although this process is occurring in the uk, it is most obvious in the US. I think it is self evident.
 
Richardvanles said:
What about the ones who's business has failed because the government has shut them down quicker than Kristallinacht.
What about the person who can't feed his or her kids because some selfish fookers can't be bothered to do their own research and listen to the shite the BBC and this corrupt Government drip feed them?
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The big problem, one that is already beginning to feed into official figures, is the lack of medical care for serious no covid illnesses over the last 8 months.

Lack of treatment, diagnosis etc will cause deaths and more hospital admissions, a little deft manipulation of the paperwork and you have the covid 2nd wave.
 
AFCDorset said:
The big problem, one that is already beginning to feed into official figures, is the lack of medical care for serious no covid illnesses over the last 8 months.

Lack of treatment, diagnosis etc will cause deaths and more hospital admissions, a little deft manipulation of the paperwork and you have the covid 2nd wave.
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I just can't get my head 'round folk who blindly follow liars, paedofile, sociopaths and psychopaths and then claim the moral high ground.
 
AFCDorset said:
Steve, I think what I have been describing is the current process, rather than one that has happened in the past, so there are not really much in the way of completed examples to identify.

Various countries, several of which I have experience, have been moving steadily to the left over the last 40-50 years or so, the 'social democratic' parties in the UK, Europe, Australia/New Zealand along with their left wing 'establishments' have pushed mainstream politics a long way to the left but have done so quite slowly.

This came to a head in 2016, 'populist' pushback in the shape of Trump and Brexit, the emerging agenda of intersectionalism, looked threatened for a moment, but it has been ramped up and up such that it is now virtually the only agenda in education and the public sector. It is used to counter and destroy any figure in these institutions who do not support the Hard Left/Common Purpose viewpoint.

The 'hardcore left' reaction that I talk about has really only really emerged as a practical force in the last 6-7 years but it has come a long way, particularly in the US. It is, I believe driven and financed by globalist money from tech and media giants, organisations such as 'Open Society' and anti western interests in countries like Saudi, Qatar and China.

Although this process is occurring in the uk, it is most obvious in the US. I think it is self evident.
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I think for tactics to be characterised as 'classic', you'd need a few examples of where they have actually had the effect claimed for them. Perhaps you mean "Classic tactics to try to disrupt and destroy ..."? But in any event there are plenty of examples where democratic societies have been disrupted and even destroyed. Surely the tactics used there are the 'classic' ones? Why don't the present aspiring disruptors/destroyers just use those?
 
Its a difficult argument to have, because some here believe that the people in high places have our welfare at Heart, that we should follow rules without question. But we should all do our own research. The simple facts are that there are no more deaths happening figure wise than on an average year. The only difference is that the cause is recorded differently. Heart attacks are down as is cancer supposedly? you have to ask yourself why are we being held to house arrest to a flu that 99% recover from? Logic states those at risk should be protected while others make there own choice. We never get this time back, life is for living we all die. Lets not destroy our economy its our kids that will suffer to payback the debt its causing.
 
SteveYork said:
I think for tactics to be characterised as 'classic', you'd need a few examples of where they have actually had the effect claimed for them. Perhaps you mean "Classic tactics to try to disrupt and destroy ..."? But in any event there are plenty of examples where democratic societies have been disrupted and even destroyed. Surely the tactics used there are the 'classic' ones? Why don't the present aspiring disruptors/destroyers just use those?
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I call these tactics 'classic' as they were developed in the sixties and developed mainly at 'low' or 'street' level, most obviously in Paris in '68. They were used in the UK, mainly at local level to promote far left groups such as 'Militant' and 'Momentum', to get control of cities such as Liverpool and Glasgow and develop a large number of left wing agitators and activists.

What has really changed is that these tactics are now being used on a national scale and are being used to reverse the populist movement that produced Trump and the Brexit vote.

Neither of these were expected so it is not exactly a surprise that this is timed to upset the US election and the final stages of Brexit.
 
Richardvanles said:
What about the ones who's business has failed because the government has shut them down quicker than Kristallinacht.
What about the person who can't feed his or her kids because some selfish fookers can't be bothered to do their own research and listen to the shite the BBC and this corrupt Government drip feed them?
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As I said conspiracy theorists but us vulnerable people have no rights except the right to die?
 
Harwichfox said:
As I said conspiracy theorists but us vulnerable people have no rights except the right to die?
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Sadly this is true.

Just like every year.

Seasonal illnesses kill the most vulnerable, flu and viral infections, bronchitis and pneumonia. Sometimes we have a noticeable 'new' virus or flu strain, sometimes we don't, it does not much matter.

Every year in the UK 600,000-700,000 die. So far this year deaths are very slightly up on average, less than 2%, though this is reducing as the 'flu season' has been and gone and many of those most vulnerable have already died.

Despite the propaganda current (weekly) death rates are low, they will probably increase as we move into winter, they always do. This is a natural phenomena though the government will no doubt attempt to portray it as a 'second wave'.

No one as yet knows the cost in lives of the NHS not diagnosing or treating severely ill (non covid) patients, that is still to come.
 
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