Taking the knee

[Club_B00k_Crutchless]

Explain what my position of privilege is

White privilege is basically the benefits you get from being white. You get to live your life without being denied opportunities because of the colour of your skin.

I'm sure we can all think of an example where someone has abused us because of the colour of our skin. But it's not constant, it hasn't stopped us getting jobs etc.

 

[Club_B00k_Crutchless]

Personally I think this country is about 800 years old, I take Magna Carta as my starting point.

In those years the indigenous people created a country, a culture that was, by and large, built for the benefit of the indigenous people. Generations upon generations of people working to build better lives for themselves, their families and their descendants, not white privilege but British privilege, build on 800 years of hard work.

Sure it was not perfect but in general I think we did ok. I am not going to list this countries achievements, nor am I going to gloss over its failures, but I am comfortable with it in the main.

Overall, by the second half of the 20th century we created a country so decent and tolerant that half the world wants to come and live here.

I agree with your last paragraph, although there are large parts of our history that don't look good with hindsight and have been whitewashed.

Accusations get chucked around like traitor but I am proud to be English, but we seem to be becoming less tolerant. I don't if it's Brexit that's polarised us or if it's more of this being played out in social media, giving platforms to the less tolerant who wouldn't have been heard so much in the past. Rather than just having a moan down the pub or at work they can be heard from behind their keyboard or phone.

 

[Brauny]

White privilege is basically the benefits you get from being white. You get to live your life without being denied opportunities because of the colour of your skin.

Are you old enough to remember the job adverts in the Leicester Mercury from around the 1980's ?

 

[AFCDorset]

Using a modern perspective to judge history is absurd, the norms of 2020 are very different from the norms of, say, 1720.
Modern perspective of history is seriously skewed too, there is an agenda in everything.

The issue today is that too many people think that politics on social media reflect the views of the people. That is simply not true, but those in power simply don't get that. Only very occasionally do they find that out, Brexit for example, but mostly people, real people, are not that interested in Westminster politics as it currently exists.

 

[Birstallblue]

Afc talks sense
i think london politics are very different from most of the rest of the uk
media are london based , media are all over BLM , rest of the uk dont give a shit
rest of the uk feel like there wasnt a problem in the first place

 

[hackneyfox]

There have been BLM marches in all parts of the country clearly some members of the the 'rest of the UK' believe there is a problem.

 

[astleyfox]

Instead of going on about how victimized you feel about something that literally has no effect on your daily life, why don't you ask black people if they want it done?
The 'all lives matter' wankers are the first to gloat when an immigrant boat goes down in the channel.

I find it astounding that anyone objects to the term, “all lives matter“.

 

[astleyfox]

i'm white and they do that. You get dafter.

Using a modern perspective to judge history is absurd, the norms of 2020 are very different from the norms of, say, 1720.
Modern perspective of history is seriously skewed too, there is an agenda in everything.

The issue today is that too many people think that politics on social media reflect the views of the people. That is simply not true, but those in power simply don't get that. Only very occasionally do they find that out, Brexit for example, but mostly people, real people, are not that interested in Westminster politics as it currently exists.

Like

 

[AFCDorset]

Black Lives Matter, the organisation, not the 'sentiment' is a radical marxist activist group aimed at the destruction British society and the removal of (what is left of) parliamentary democracy. It has precious little to de with racial injustice.

It is also a cause célebre for many who wish to improve their 'social standing', they have no idea what impact this will have on there privileged lives if BLM gets any real traction in this country.

 

[bnet]

the thing is, is there anyone who doesn't think black lifes matter ? we all do, as well as we all think all lifes matter. What they are trying get us to believe is that us white people don't think black lifes matter. If you can get to the core of this issue, of which l believe this is it, then you can judge if its for good or bad. I believe its there as a wedge, so l am against it, i'm for unity of which l don't think the problem is anywhere like they say it is, for the obvious reasons. Division is the true goal, while pretending to be working for the opposite..

 

[bnet]

is this the first ton on the new board ?

 

[astleyfox]

is this the first ton on the new board ?

No mate. Wasted you with my “Brexit”, thread!!

 

[Scoops]

You lost two jobs because football players are taking the knee? That's rough. I'm responding to the OP, not the extra guff that's been added to the mix so that you can feel more victimized.

To be clear - I’ve lost two jobs because of the colour of my skin. One many years ago when my gaffer sold up to an Asian company who cooted the lot of us who weren’t Asian and only a year ago when the huge corporate I worked for introduced their diversity and inclusion policy and over 80 white men lost their jobs so the quotas could be adjusted. - clear now?

 

[Daz40]

out of curiosity Mistryman, do you wear a poppy and if so how much do you pay for one ?

l can't talk to you about BLM and kneeling becouse l think your views are so shallow. Simply, BLM is designed to caurse division and civil unrest, isn't it a coincidence that it came along whing we are in the middle of a world wide fake pandemic, how did that happen, weird eh ! The same people are driving both, you can't see this so its not a debate and l will not get involved with you. A tip for the future always look for the root of the latest unrest and who stands to gain ? FIN

So these people who were killed by the police in America were they manufactured to happen in the middle of the pandemic. They didn't choose to die then it just happened to coincide with the pandemic. These killings just brought it to the forefront.

 

[Silver Fox]

Fookin hell. A ton on the main board with a football post (initially). Who woulda thought?
Can I have anything off the top 2 shelves?

 

[RegiRoka]

To be clear - I’ve lost two jobs because of the colour of my skin. One many years ago when my gaffer sold up to an Asian company who cooted the lot of us who weren’t Asian and only a year ago when the huge corporate I worked for introduced their diversity and inclusion policy and over 80 white men lost their jobs so the quotas could be adjusted. - clear now?

That last bit Scoops... Did that really happen?

 

[AFCDorset]

So these people who were killed by the police in America were they manufactured to happen in the middle of the pandemic. They didn't choose to die then it just happened to coincide with the pandemic. These killings just brought it to the forefront.

Black people are killed by the police in the US in greater numbers than white people in terms of population, that is true.

But it is a small part of the picture.

For example, confrontations with the police that escalate to violence, shows the opposite, white people are more likely to be shot than black people.

If you analyse the figures, you can do so in different ways and prove virtually anything. That said, the weight of recent history suggests the black people are treated worse by police than white people, no argument there.

But on the other hand, black people are disproportionally more likely to be involved in violent crime, no argument there either.

This is a complex issue, oversimplification does no one any favours.

 

[Club_B00k_Crutchless]

To be clear - I’ve lost two jobs because of the colour of my skin. One many years ago when my gaffer sold up to an Asian company who cooted the lot of us who weren’t Asian and only a year ago when the huge corporate I worked for introduced their diversity and inclusion policy and over 80 white men lost their jobs so the quotas could be adjusted. - clear now?

Is that how it happened or your interpretation? If it did happen for that reason then there's grounds for a lot of claims of unfair dismissal.

 

[Scoops]

That last bit Scoops... Did that really happen?

Yes Regi. The She for He policy kicked in and also the D and I policy that stated 25% targets. Everyone of us was replace by a woman or BAME person. It’s a massive corporation but these were UK and Ireland quotas only.

 

[astleyfox]

Yes Regi. The She for He policy kicked in and also the D and I policy that stated 25% targets. Everyone of us was replace by a woman or BAME person. It’s a massive corporation but these were UK and Ireland quotas only.

I wish a woman or a black man would take my job, so I canhave a rest.

 

[RegiRoka]

Yes Regi. The She for He policy kicked in and also the D and I policy that stated 25% targets. Everyone of us was replace by a woman or BAME person. It’s a massive corporation but these were UK and Ireland quotas only.

Losing your job because of the colour of your skin. One absolute definition of racism.

 

[Scoops]

That last bit Scoops... Did that really happen?

Yes Regi. The She for He

Losing your job because of the colour of your skin. One absolute definition of racism.

Try taking on the might of a £25billion turnover organisation. This has nothing at all to do with the original post BTW but believe me quotas need to be achieved and we were all goonered because we were white and/or white male.

BTW , this was 2016 and the new Asian woman company president and new Asian VP lasted 2 years before the business realised they were fuckin useless and didn’t have a clue.

 

[bnet]

 

[perdix]

The television commercials agencies have certainly been given new quotas recently. You'd think the population of the UK was half white and half non white.
Do people who've came to Britain to better themselves, and their descendants, like being treated as a special needs group or pawns?

 

[AFCDorset]

Whilst colour and race is often quite visible, this is not, in the main, the reason why people do well or do poorly in the uk. Migrants from south east Asia do well (even more so in the USA) as do some groups from the sub continent.

Others, mostly of African or Middle Eastern origin do less well. They are less suited to life in the UK, often make no attempt to adapt and seem quite happy to live at the edges of British society.

This is pretty obvious to anyone not blinded by SJW doctrines and of course there are exceptions, but that is how it is.

I could explain further, give more details and even some statistical evidence.
But then you would have to kill me.

 

[RegiRoka]

Just getting back to Scoops post, I notice that the pro-knee takers haven’t really replied.

 

[Barrel]

Why care about the problems in the USA there is a growing underclass in the UK who are discriminated against because they are poor and white.

There is now a real thing called black privilege it's seen on the TV in adverts and TV programs, how long before its impossible to get acting or presentation work on TV or film if you are white.

Football is dominated by black players so saying it's in any way racist is laughable.

 

[Daz40]

Why care about the problems in the USA there is a growing underclass in the UK who are discriminated against because they are poor and white.

There is now a real thing called black privilege it's seen on the TV in adverts and TV programs, how long before its impossible to get acting or presentation work on TV or film if you are white.

Football is dominated by black players so saying it's in any way racist is laughable.

It's not just a US problem is it though. It's a global problem

 

[Barrel]

The actions of a US police officer is not a global problem if you are black person in the UK you will have more chance of being stabbed by another black person than being killed by a policeman .

Try being a white farmer in Africa right now your life is worthless to those who now control African countries .

 

[AFCDorset]

Why care about the problems in the USA there is a growing underclass in the UK who are discriminated against because they are poor and white.

There is now a real thing called black privilege it's seen on the TV in adverts and TV programs, how long before its impossible to get acting or presentation work on TV or film if you are white.

Football is dominated by black players so saying it's in any way racist is laughable.

The BBC have knowingly and deliberately advertised jobs to non whites only.

This is an affront to the license payer, most of whom will be white.