Neets

Peer pressure and teacher pressure. At 18 they think they know everything and when a "tutor" tell them something they believe it, anyone who knows teenagers is well aware that they think their parents are ogres and out of touch

They might not all be the same courses but a lot are simply geared up to filling their lecture hall and on site accommodation, it's all about the money now

Fortunately there are still some universities that are turning out academics that we need, when I was at school they were the only universities,
we thickos went straight out to work
I agree with your general sentiment. At 18 we (society) have failed them if we haven't taught them to be a little cynical and question everything, especially in this technological age when scamming is ever present. I never had a problem talking to my kids and them listening and questioning what I said (this isn't a criticism of you at all). All 3 went to university, one got a good degree that benefitted him, one got a language degree which was waste of time but she used the "Bachelor's" to get what she wanted in the end and my youngest did 1 year of Law, decided it wasn't "him" left, got a job and is now Chief of Police.

I think our generation is very much at fault though. Very few of our parent's generation went to university (many started full time work at 14) and they saw university as a place for the upper class and aspirational, so they pushed our generation to go. I'm one of 4 children, the oldest and youngest did not go to university, the oldest, my brother has worked hard every day of his life and he continues to despite being in his 70's. He will do anything and never saw a job as menial or below him. My younger sister worked, then got MS and has lived on benefits for a long time. My older sister got a place at Imperial and dropped out because of a "boyfriend" who became her husband, who became her ex. She has worked every day of her life (apart from having 2 kids) and earned a good salary (wasted it imo, but earned it). And then there is me, left school with great grades but bored, worked, went back to uni, started my own company, made money, stopped, moved to France, worked in Education for a pittance because I believe in it, got my masters to improve myself in my speciality, I'll retire at 67 (if I live that long).

Our generation has spoilt our children, we haven't made them understand the importance of work nor the true value of money. Our children think they have a right to expensive goods, cars and houses because they saw that we had them and we bought them those things (where we could) They are entitled and we haven't disabused our princes and princesses of this notion. They lack respect for people and for goods. we haven't made them understand and respect their freedom and the luck/chance they have to live in a country with so many freedoms. The Great war and WW2 are simply stories from the past to them, maybe even worse than that as they play war games on their consoles or watch hollywood movies where killing is cheap, glorified the cost to humanity is ignored. They lack respect for freedoms and choice and the possibility (not right) to vote.
 
Back in the late 80s my degree course was 4 years including year 3 in industry. In those days it was rare for a University to do that.

When I graduated they had already offered me a job.

I'm all for apprenticeship degrees.
Almost every degree at my university involves an internship of at least 3 months. In France most students realise that a Bachelors is worth very little, A masters is the minimum needed to impress and that needs to be backed with a solid working CV. Real summer jobs and internships.

I'm all for apprenticeship ONLY degrees and for greater value and respect to be given to manual/technical apprenticeships. Most plumbers I know earn at least twice as much as a teacher.
 
Teachers...

My daughter is a fully qualified English and Media teacher (up to A Level). She enjoys her work.

My father was a French teacher who started out at Northampton Grammar and ended up at New Park Girls before he retired.

I'm glad I bucked that trend.
 
Our generation has spoilt our children, we haven't made them understand the importance of work nor the true value of money. Our children think they have a right to expensive goods, cars and houses because they saw that we had them and we bought them those things (where we could) They are entitled and we haven't disabused our princes and princesses of this notion. They lack respect for people and for goods. we haven't made them understand and respect their freedom and the luck/chance they have to live in a country with so many freedoms. The Great war and WW2 are simply stories from the past to them, maybe even worse than that as they play war games on their consoles or watch hollywood movies where killing is cheap, glorified the cost to humanity is ignored. They lack respect for freedoms and choice and the possibility (not right) to vote.
Your post reads like it was written by 2 different people. I disagree with this last paragraph. My kids know the value of money and aren't spoilt or entitled. They've all had part time jobs since age 14 so have good work ethic and know money needs to be earned, it's not a right or privilege.
 
Your post reads like it was written by 2 different people. I disagree with this last paragraph. My kids know the value of money and aren't spoilt or entitled. They've all had part time jobs since age 14 so have good work ethic and know money needs to be earned, it's not a right or privilege.
And your kids wouldn't joyride the wrong way down a main road filming themselves. Not all kids are representative of their generation.

Do you think that you and your children are reflective of today's generation?
 
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