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I've never really understood what this Labour anti-semitism is all about and how it originated.
Can someone help me with a thumbnail sketch?
I know its something to do with Israel and Palestine but how?
Cheers.
 
Sohofox said:
I've never really understood what this Labour anti-semitism is all about and how it originated.
Can someone help me with a thumbnail sketch?
I know its something to do with Israel and Palestine but how?
Cheers.
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Millions of Muslim voters block vote for Labour.

About 300,000 people in the UK identify as jewish.

Thats it.
 
Sohofox said:
I've never really understood what this Labour anti-semitism is all about and how it originated.
Can someone help me with a thumbnail sketch?
I know its something to do with Israel and Palestine but how?
Cheers.
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I think it's multi-faceted. And someone will come along with a better sketch, and a different one too.
But for me, it has its roots in WW2 and the Cold War.

The USA mainly backed Israel.
The Soviet Union mainly backed other neighbouring states.
So we have a bit of 'America Bad-Israel bad' thinking going on.
This gets played out in the UN for years on end, and gets very nasty and heated in motions put forward, and slowly gets mentioned in little get togethers in Stoneygate and Islington.
Plus we have the support of the underdog, which was originally Isreal... and a displaced population (originally the Jews), but this gets turned on its head.
The underdogs become the Palestinians, and quite rightly for me, there is a suspicion that Israel is using conflict, security concerns and global politics to grab land.
The Palestinians become a cause célèbre, and it seems then, they can do no wrong. Only the Israelis are ever the aggressors, and nothing positive can be mentioned about them.
 
I'm sure there's more to it.
I imagine it doesn't help that we think of Jews as white/European, and the Palestinians as brown Arabic. If it was the other way round, there might be more sympathy. I have no idea.
Melanie Philips is pretty good at explaining what it was like to live and work through as the anti-Israel tendency developed. (It's one of the reasons she gave up with the UK left) I'll find you an interview if you want.
With someone like George Galloway, I imagine it's about a sense of unfairness. It is not about being anti-Semitic. I don't think he is at all.
 
RegiRoka is right, there is a cold war connection, US supported Israel because of the 'Jewish lobby', Soviets piled in on the other side.

Lefties in the UK followed the Soviet lead. Now it is just about the votes.
 
I wish the Labour party would stop with the self flagellation and get on with representing the people who voted for them
 
jackieguaccamole said:
Yeah but what did Jezza actually do or say to get bombed out?
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If anyone has any specific descriptions of what is alleged to have happened on social media, or what exact comments were made in meetings, wouldn't that make it all just a bit clearer? Saying that he failed to react is only valid if he failed to react to something of real substance.
 
The problem is very simple; anti-zionism is often construed as anti-semitism.
Israel in particular tries to portray every political criticism as anti-Semitic and has done for decades.
The problem with Labour is that they have exactly the same problem. They want to support Palestinians call for their own state, but it can go from anti-zionism to anti-semitism, and some people have used that as cover deliberately.
Jezza and the executive dithered like twats, and according to the EHRC report, actively intervened and made the situation much worse.
Starmer needs to be firm and strong and clear up the mess once and for all.
 
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MrTeabreak said:
The problem is very simple; anti-zionism is often construed as anti-semitism.
Israel in particular tries to portray every political criticism as anti-Semitic and has done for decades.
The problem with Labour is that they have exactly the same problem. They want to support Palestinians call for their own state, but it can go from anti-zionism to anti-semitism, and some people have used that as cover deliberately.
Jezza and the executive dithered like twats, and according to the EHRC report, actively intervened and made the situation much worse.
Starmer needs to be firm and strong and clear up the mess once and for all.
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Can you tell us of examples of where it went from one to the other?
I agree with you about the anti-z v the anti-s. Unfortunately, many tar everything with the anti-Semitic brush. A lot do this as a way of shutting down the debate.
 
RegiRoka said:
Can you tell us of examples of where it went from one to the other?
I agree with you about the anti-z v the anti-s. Unfortunately, many tar everything with the anti-Semitic brush. A lot do this as a way of shutting down the debate.
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You'll have to ask the Labour executive or the EHRC. I'm not the arbiter of what's allowed and what isn't in the Labour party. Using their yardstick Ken Livingstone crossed it and left the party, so there's one example.
 
MrTeabreak said:
You'll have to ask the Labour executive or the EHRC. I'm not the arbiter of what's allowed and what isn't in the Labour party. Using their yardstick Ken Livingstone crossed it and left the party, so there's one example.
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Okay. It'd be interesting to see what he's supposed to have ignored/lost control of.
 
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