I like Sidney

I wouldn't rely on Guilliani. He can't even buy a hair dye that doesn't run, & turns up at a garden centre rather than a hotel for his press conference.
Born into working class family, Rudi's is a life of hard work, achievement, professional public service and support for things like medical centers. His awards are prestigious and numerous, and on top of all of that, the guy has earned a buck or two, and still has a great sense of humor.
Rumours that he uses a crisp packet to promote his online identity are most likely untrue. The guy has way too much class for that.
 
Same with all the other promises made in the last four years - about exposing the deep state, exposing the peados, the great reset , etc etc - that fizzled out in to nothing....
Probably one of the main things worth discussing about Trump. Most of the stuff that many react to on here, I couldn't care less about.
 
The allegations on vote flipping as I understand them are that the machine counts the votes correctly and then either the machine flips a number of votes or thd data is sent somewhere, possibly a 3rd country, where the votes are flipped.

Eg

Out of a million physical votes split 50/50 for each candidate after flipping this would become

Trump 400k

Biden 600k

The good thing is that it's easy to check if this has happened, just count the ballots by hand, in this example a physical hand recount would show 500k votes each and the flipping fraud would be exposed.

So seeing how they have physically recounted each paper ballot and come up with the a result within a few hundred votes of the first machine count, it strongly indicates that electronic vote flipping did not take place in Georgia.
Totally understand what you are saying BF and it makes perfect sense if the system is as simple as you describe.

In such a setup, postulating 'vote flipping' would be pointless as it would show up immediately in the physical count, but is it that simple, that is the question.

Personally I think it is a lot more complex than we, (well I,) understand. I know it is not proof by any means but, for various reasons I have read a lot on this subject and believe that the electronic manipulation of the votes is real.

Obviously this is not something I can prove, even to myself, I freely admit that I am relying on Sidney Powell and her team to show what is happening in this aspect of the election. Enjoying the ride...:cool:
 
Anyway.... I reckon it's more or less over now. I agree with RVL, as usual, but I tend towards something dodgy happening.
The concept of 'no evidence' which BarrowFox likes to promote is all well and good. Personally though, perhaps because I'm sceptical, I think that's simplistic, and just too emphatic. Barrow's following his own 'desired outcome' of this: there is no cheating.

I'm sure there is evidence for both angles: the negligent/breaking of the rules, and the dodgy software. But the judges are not going to be ruling on whether they think something dodgy has happened, but on whether there's evidence that can stand up in court, which is a different thing, and with the clock ticking, I imagine it must be very difficult to vet it, strenghten it, compile it and present it in a winning format. I imagine if the fix was in, everyone was always aware of time pressure, of mingling dodgy posted votes with reliable ones etc.
 
They’ll say it was buried deep when nothing is exposed.
Same with all the other promises made in the last four years - about exposing the deep state, exposing the peados, the great reset , etc etc - that fizzled out in to nothing....

To someone on the outside, who doesn’t have access to all these sources, it looks like an awful lot of people are simply being taken for a ride...
Oddly enough one of my favourite silver rounds I have points to the exposing of the establishment as an election promise.
5oz and probably only a few of them in the UK it may be the only one. It depicts Killery and Trump as puppets on an election stage being worked by a puppeteer (not hard to recognise the puppeteer) Trump is cutting his own strings.
I think a lot of folk had hope in Trump but I think he's fell well short of those expectations.IMG_8441.PNG
 
Regardless of the message that's a shocking bit of craftsmanship isn't it, hurts your (I'm sorry, one's) eyes to look at it.

And the writing. Oh, the writing.
 
Barrow's following his own 'desired outcome' of this
This also applies to yourself and the others who think there is something dodgy going on. If nothing is proven then of course it's because it's all so 'deep'. It can't possibly be that maybe Trump lost fair and square and he's behaving like a big spoilt child.

Let's see what happens. Interesting times ahead.
 
Anyway.... I reckon it's more or less over now. I agree with RVL, as usual, but I tend towards something dodgy happening.
The concept of 'no evidence' which BarrowFox likes to promote is all well and good. Personally though, perhaps because I'm sceptical, I think that's simplistic, and just too emphatic. Barrow's following his own 'desired outcome' of this: there is no cheating.

I'm sure there is evidence for both angles: the negligent/breaking of the rules, and the dodgy software. But the judges are not going to be ruling on whether they think something dodgy has happened, but on whether there's evidence that can stand up in court, which is a different thing, and with the clock ticking, I imagine it must be very difficult to vet it, strenghten it, compile it and present it in a winning format. I imagine if the fix was in, everyone was always aware of time pressure, of mingling dodgy posted votes with reliable ones etc.

with respect, I don't have a desired outcome in this election, I'm about as sceptical as they come, but that i apply that scepticism across the board.

its been fairly clear for many years that American politics is broken, extreme polarisation with an added sprinkle of fanatics.

Gerrymandering and attempts at voter suppression is rife, and claims of electronic vote flipping aren't anything new, look up Karl Rove and Ohio.

But to believe that one side would commit fraud but not the other would be a logical fallacy

it is easy to make claims through the media, but if you shout fraud in public and then state in court that in fact your not claiming there was any fraud, you look like a fraud. there objective may well of been to appeal cases up to the supreme court with the hope that the trump appointees swing a decision in his favour, will this happen, who knows, it does look unlikely with many cases being dismissed with no right of appeal.

Time will tell which way this will fall, and your speculation around fraud cases and evidence is just that, speculation.
 
But you can understand why people voted for him with high expectations
Maybe. Personally I wouldn't have high expectations of any politician or movement.

But I can't understand anyone bringing themselves to buy that thing (or for that matter design, make and market it).
 
But you can understand why people voted for him with high expectations
Trump very successfully energised enough voters in key states to win the electoral college and i agree they had high expectations.

Trump at heart is an entertainer, you can see that at his rally's, he loves the crowd but he appears to get carried away with promises and claims that entertain the crowd, delivering it seems is somewhat harder.
 
Trump very successfully energised enough voters in key states to win the electoral college and i agree they had high expectations.

Trump at heart is an entertainer, you can see that at his rally's, he loves the crowd but he appears to get carried away with promises and claims that entertain the crowd, delivering it seems is somewhat harder.
Trumps great quality, in my eyes, is that he really is not a politician in the normal American manner. He is nowhere near as involved in the 'deep state/swamp' as most high end politicians and that makes him a dangerous outsider.

Personally, considering what he has been up against, I think Trump has done remarkably well over the last 4 years, but obviously that is a personal view. In the last few months the weight of the established political state in the US, combined with the immense pressure and total anti-Trump stance of pretty much all the TV, print and social media organisations may well have swung the election against him, but the fact that he is still standing and still fighting is, I think remarkable.

As I have said before, I believe that should the Biden/Harris ticket get to the White House, this will be the end of the USA as we know it. Some may consider this a good thing, I think it will be horrifying.

Whatever happens, it will be interesting!
 
Maybe. Personally I wouldn't have high expectations of any politician or movement.

But I can't understand anyone bringing themselves to buy that thing (or for that matter design, make and market it).
Hence why you've nowt better to do than post in a silly conspiracy web page and they're making a few quid selling silver.IMG_8442.PNG
 
This also applies to yourself and the others who think there is something dodgy going on. If nothing is proven then of course it's because it's all so 'deep'. It can't possibly be that maybe Trump lost fair and square and he's behaving like a big spoilt child.

Let's see what happens. Interesting times ahead.
I thought I made it clear that was my own slant on things...
 
Hence why you've nowt better to do than post in a silly conspiracy web page and they're making a few quid selling silver.View attachment 442
It doesn't require an enormous amount of time or effort to jot down a couple of sentences when it's a perfectly straightforward comment on aesthetic preferences. I can even do it while engaged on other activities. But thanks for the concern.
 
Trumps great quality, in my eyes, is that he really is not a politician in the normal American manner. He is nowhere near as involved in the 'deep state/swamp' as most high end politicians and that makes him a dangerous outsider.

Personally, considering what he has been up against, I think Trump has done remarkably well over the last 4 years, but obviously that is a personal view. In the last few months the weight of the established political state in the US, combined with the immense pressure and total anti-Trump stance of pretty much all the TV, print and social media organisations may well have swung the election against him, but the fact that he is still standing and still fighting is, I think remarkable.

As I have said before, I believe that should the Biden/Harris ticket get to the White House, this will be the end of the USA as we know it. Some may consider this a good thing, I think it will be horrifying.

Whatever happens, it will be interesting!
Can you list what they will do that will lead to the end of the USA as we know it?

Be useful to have a check list for the next few years.
 
Can you list what they will do that will lead to the end of the USA as we know it?

Be useful to have a check list for the next few years.
I don't think it'll be the end of the US. I think it will be order is restored which is just as terrifying.
PNAC in full flight mode.
 
The Project for the New American Century ceased to function in 2006;[19] it was replaced by a new think-tank named the Foreign Policy Initiative, co-founded by Kristol and Kagan in 2009. The Foreign Policy Initiative was dissolved in 2017.

My guess is it popped up again with a new name after 2017, any idea what it is called now.

Their like chameleons
Like lizards you mean
 
These are all acronyms for different aspects of the US establishment. Their aim is to cement complete control over the wealth and resources of the nation and the first thing they need to do is to get rid of outsiders like Trump.

This is not about left or right, democrat or republicans, it is about who rules and who gets rich.

If the Biden/Harris administration gets hold of the White House they will shift the demographics to produce a permanent democrat controlled government, complete the politicalisation of the courts and defund (some of) the police. Control of the streets will fall to BLM and Antifa and social marxism will rule education and social structures in their entirety.

Actually easy enough to achieve in the urban areas, be interesting to see if and how that spreads to the rest of the country.
 
These are all acronyms for different aspects of the US establishment. Their aim is to cement complete control over the wealth and resources of the nation and the first thing they need to do is to get rid of outsiders like Trump.

This is not about left or right, democrat or republicans, it is about who rules and who gets rich.

If the Biden/Harris administration gets hold of the White House they will shift the demographics to produce a permanent democrat controlled government, complete the politicalisation of the courts and defund (some of) the police. Control of the streets will fall to BLM and Antifa and social marxism will rule education and social structures in their entirety.

Actually easy enough to achieve in the urban areas, be interesting to see if and how that spreads to the rest of the country.
Or to put it another way, one of them is an acronym, and it refers to an organisation that has been defunct for over 10 years.
 
Or to put it another way, one of them is an acronym, and it refers to an organisation that has been defunct for over 10 years.
The organisation may have shape shifted into another but the goals and people are still on the scene.
I can remember reading the PNAC website many years ago and then achieving those goals over the coming years.
 
What were these goals?
Jumping at the chance for another pearl harbour. They actually did state that they would achieve their goals of invading Middle East countries if they had another "pearl harbour"
Look what happened after 9/11.
Destabilising The Middle East and filling the vacuum with Leaders they could manipulate.
Amongst other things.
 
Jumping at the chance for another pearl harbour. They actually did state that they would achieve their goals of invading Middle East countries if they had another "pearl harbour"
Look what happened after 9/11.
Destabilising The Middle East and filling the vacuum with Leaders they could manipulate.
Amongst other things.
OK well let's allow that there was a goal of destabilising the Middle East, through invasion or other means (I can only remember one actual invasion), which was achieved (although who knows whether it would have been stable without PNAC setting out to do this). I'm not sure they got many leaders they could manipulate, so whether that really counts as a goal achieved is not clear.

What were the other things?
 
Other things.
Policy of Hegemong throughout the world by military means if necessary.
Quite open about whether it was deemed as fair or not it was irrelevant and how it was achieved as it justified the means of promoting the American vision of democracy and power throughout the world and taking up arms against any country who oppose their goals.
I bet the original website is archived somewhere.
 
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