Have We Lost Any Roofers To Covid?

Not sure anyone’s ever asked or done a straw poll on whose actually had the virus on here let alone died from it.

I haven’t but unlike the loons I don’t think it’s been made up.

Has the vaccine made your Tadger fall off yet or just the balls?

The question of how many on here have had the virus is a more interesting question.

Remember the early days of Spring last year when many were convinced it was all bollocks, have they changed their minds now?
 
The question of how many on here have had the virus is a more interesting question.

Remember the early days of Spring last year when many were convinced it was all bollocks, have they changed their minds now?
The narrative here is a complex one and it is becoming increasingly difficult to take an objective, critical response without getting abuse. However, as is my usual practice, I shall give it ago.

In 'the early days of spring' the authorities deliberately required infected and untested elderly people to be returned to care homes and what is even worse, denied them therapeutic care. HCQ derived medication has been known to be an effective treatment for SARS-CoV-2 since 2005 and was the treatment recommended by the US Centre for Disease Control. This was the case right up to April when it was, effectively, banned by the CDC with no explanation given.

In the UK HCQ was banned from the outset, with stocks removed from the supply chain. This left the NHS with no treatment for Covid patients bar oxygen and perhaps steroids, which at that time was largely ineffective. It is during that period that many people died, contributing heavily to the excess death rate for 2020.

That all this occurred is indisputable, the question is why did the authorities go down this route. We don't know and probably never will.
Would a different approach have saved lives, would a regime of HCQ+ and selective isolation have been more effective, I suspect that it would, but to put forward this view on a mainstream forum is to attract abuse as a 'Covid-Denier'.
 
The narrative here is a complex one and it is becoming increasingly difficult to take an objective, critical response without getting abuse. However, as is my usual practice, I shall give it ago.

In 'the early days of spring' the authorities deliberately required infected and untested elderly people to be returned to care homes and what is even worse, denied them therapeutic care. HCQ derived medication has been known to be an effective treatment for SARS-CoV-2 since 2005 and was the treatment recommended by the US Centre for Disease Control. This was the case right up to April when it was, effectively, banned by the CDC with no explanation given.

In the UK HCQ was banned from the outset, with stocks removed from the supply chain. This left the NHS with no treatment for Covid patients bar oxygen and perhaps steroids, which at that time was largely ineffective. It is during that period that many people died, contributing heavily to the excess death rate for 2020.

That all this occurred is indisputable, the question is why did the authorities go down this route. We don't know and probably never will.
Would a different approach have saved lives, would a regime of HCQ+ and selective isolation have been more effective, I suspect that it would, but to put forward this view on a mainstream forum is to attract abuse as a 'Covid-Denier’.


AFCDorset has made mistakes and most people have no opinion of what they would have done differently. Of course we don’t see the full picture of Covid, of the economy, of the Brexit negotiations and how one action could trigger a wave of different outcomes. We also have the benefit of hindsight before we make our judgements.

Dorset, I don’t have the time or the inclination myself to scour the internet for information like others seem to, not just you. I think every Government in the world has made mistakes and most people have an opinion of what they would have done differently. Of course we don’t see the full picture of Covid, of the economy, of the Brexit negotiations that were going on throughout this pandemic and how one action could trigger a wave of different outcomes. We also have the benefit of hindsight before we make our judgements

However you’re point about effective treatments is a good one. I have no idea what HCQ even is and what the benefits of it is towards certain similar viruses (again I have no real inclination to look into this) however if there is something out there that is used to treat similar illnesses that could have made a difference and still could make a difference to Covid19 then it should have been looked into. We have no idea that it wasn’t looked into. Given there are almost 200 countries in the world you would have thought that one or two of them would have looked into this even if we didn’t.

I understand we are far better now at treating the sick than we were at the beginning of this pandemic, are we giving the patients anything more than steroids and oxygen? I’d like to think so but I don’t think anything is different. Something to slow the seriousness of the virus would be as big a breakthrough as these vaccines are.
 
Hi daggers, thanks for the considered response.

I don't know how much of my stuff you have read on here but it must be pretty apparent that I think something is happening that is way above our appreciation of the situation as it is. It is such a huge, sprawling subject that it is difficult to know where to start so in this instance I concentrated on the initial impact of the virus in the spring of 2020.

The approach by the UK authorities was remarkably similar to most of the western countries, few (Sweden maybe) did anything different. Was that simply a case of everyone panicking in much the same way or, putting on my tin foil hat, a case of following instructions?

The HCQ issue is interesting. The CDC have recommended chloroquine based therapies since the SARS-CoV-2 (swine flu) outbreak in 2005, but strangely and without explanation removed references to HCQ+ from its website in April of last year. Without recommendation from the CDC, mainstream US medical facilities were reluctant to use it.

This was around the time that President Trump was treated for covid and, post recovery, was very positive about its effectiveness. The use of HDC+ was rubbished by the medical establishment in a variety of ways and positive reports censored, why was never really explained though some organisations such as the AMA are now in the process of distancing themselves from those decisions.

The UK response was to ban HCQ from the outset and buy up all the stock, there was a small amount left a retail level (mostly for arthritis sufferers) but that quickly disappeared. This was a therapy the showed considerable promise when used correctly and could have been used by the NHS but wasn't. This was at a time that the NHS had no available therapy for covid beyond oxygen and generic steroids.
 
I have no idea what HCQ even is and what the benefits of it is towards certain similar viruses (again I have no real inclination to look into this)

i'll help you that daggers. there has been no provable benefit to HCQ. if there has, then i have not seen the peer reviewed evidence.



removed references to HCQ+ from its website in April of last year. Without recommendation from the CDC, mainstream US medical facilities were reluctant to use it.
This was around the time that President Trump, was treated for covid and, post recovery, was very positive about its effectiveness

trump was treated in October. not April.
 
i'll help you that daggers. there has been no provable benefit to HCQ. if there has, then i have not seen the peer reviewed evidence.

trump was treated in October. not April.
There is no peer reviewed evidence because the medical establishment will not carry out any investigations into the effectiveness of HCQ+ carried out by independent doctors and clinics.

Just call it fake news and have facebook, u-tube and twitter delete the reports.

You are correct about Trump being treated in October, I am conflating two separate events. In fact his positive comments were made in April, at the time the early reports of the effectiveness of HCQ+ therapies were becoming known. Those reports were memory holed very quickly.

This episode has been repeated over the last couple of months with the drug Ivermectin, a cheap generic product that reduces the severity of covid-19 and substantially reduces the death rate. Like HCQ+, when taken early at the first sign of symptoms it is often very effective with the patient recovering quickly with out further treatment or hospitalisation.

It has been effectively banned in this country and is not prescribed by the NHS, reports on its effectiveness are being blocked. This is despite the fact that the NHS still has no effective treatment for covid-19.
 
i genuinely can't think of a single reason why any doctor / researcher would refuse to use, or trial, an established drug if it helped against covid. can you? after all they are using loads of other established drugs, so what's so special about this one?

they are quite happy to use the cheap-as-chips dexamethasone, so its not a case of it being too cheap to feather the nests of big pharma.

maybe its the fact that they DID do the trials, and concluded it was of no use.
 
i genuinely can't think of a single reason why any doctor / researcher would refuse to use, or trial, an established drug if it helped against covid. can you? after all they are using loads of other established drugs, so what's so special about this one?

they are quite happy to use the cheap-as-chips dexamethasone, so its not a case of it being too cheap to feather the nests of big pharma.

maybe its the fact that they DID do the trials, and concluded it was of no use.
Dexamethasone is a steroid given to patients who already have serious breathing difficulties or are on a ventilator.

It serves a different purpose and is in no way comparable with ivermectin or HCQ+ which are effective treatments of covid in the early stages.

The most important evidence of the effectiveness of these drugs is that we are not allowed to try them. They can not be bought over the counter, nor can they be obtained by private prescription. This is despite the fact that they have both been in general use for decades.

Maybe an effective treatment would negate the need for a vaccine program, can't have that.
 
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