Gambling

kendalfox

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Fed up with papers blaming bookmakers for losses incurred instead of blaming the gambler the Golden rule in betting is "Never chase you're losses" instilled in me by my father, bet what you can afford and see it as dead money, but greedy people cannot or do not want to see gambling this way.
You will always lose chasing bets.
 

George Ferris

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Agreed Kendal. We have all been on the “chase” especially when I was younger but that was my fault not the bookies. One thing that has changed is the proliferation of online bookies and slots which are aimed at the mug punter and people who are not interested in horse racing/dogs, I very rarely go to a betting shop now and when I do it is mainly people playing the fobt machines with no interest in the horses.
A friend of mine has a daughter who played the slots online and ended up with a massive debt well into 5 figures, she had no interest in gambling before but these slot games that are advertised incessantly on the tv are what got her started, small stakes to start with and then chased her losses.
The radio 4 consumer show You and Yours regularly has programmes solely about gambling addiction and it is widespread among younger people, and the bookies even though the person may have stopped because of debt still send them literature about the services they offer.
 

kendalfox

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I except the facts about the proliferation of so called bookmakers but they are only in business because of the gullibility of people I won't call them gamblers I do not entertain online gambling it's too bloody easy a risk especially with games
You have to be extremely lucky to win. What I do hate is the enticements of free plays to get you hooked, that should be outlawed straight away, actually there should be only horse racing, dogs, and football online that would lead to people thinking more about what they gamble
Rather than the gaming addictiveness
 

mickyhoss

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Back in the late nineties when the bookies started installing fruit machines into shops I knew a bloke who would spunk his wages in a bandit on a Friday afternoon, OK the temptation factor was put there by the bookies but luckily we had a good manager who would switch off the machine so he didn't lose all of his wages. That manager was perhaps one in a thousand who had morals, the fella most probably went straight down the conny club but that wasn't bookies fault, was it.
 

George Ferris

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i accept your point Kendal but most younger people arent interested in the horses as a betting medium and just want instant riches from the slots, to ask them to study form and come to an informed conclusion isnt going to happen.
Also when i started punting in the 70's you could not bet legally on the outcome of a football match, now you can bet on and during the game on a multitude of events. if you watch a game in the pub a lot of the younger lads are betting every few minutes on all sorts. i watched a lad do 500 quid in 15 minutes one night betting on the next goal, booking ,corner etc. its a different world.
 

kendalfox

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Afraid so, but what happens if they come down hard on the bookies?? There are astute enough to get ways round most eventualities
 

George Ferris

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With experience you know when to draw stumps and come back another day, but some people have an addictive personality be it gambling, drugs, booze and have to have help.
 

Eggs66

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Something I find personally...being of an age before mobile phones and paying with debit cards...is just how easy it is to spend money when it isn't cold hard cash in your hand that you have to physically hand to someone else. £100 on Perez to score the next goal? Three clicks on your mobile and you can hear your money whizzing around the u-bend. If one was on the "chase" back in the day, you had to fill out betting slips and hand over the actual cash...obviously that wouldn't deter everyone, but it must have had some sort of detering affect on some. Now it is just so easy and convenient, it doesn't feel like you are spending money.

I think this is something that goes beyond the thread subject - whether it is online shopping or whatever, whilst the convenience is of course wonderful (and I am not for one moment saying this is all negative)...it is scary how easy it is to part with money when it is "digital".
 

Eggs66

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For clarity's sake, can I just point out that whilst I love a beer and I love a wee flutter (not always a good combination), I have never nor will ever put ANY MONEY on Perez to score the next goal. I may not be God's brightest child, but even I ain't that stoooopid.
 

George Ferris

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Last year I was at the Newcastle game at st James park and backed Perez to score first at 8/1 simply because it was his old team and lo and behold a miracle happened.
 

Outfoxed

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I very rarely have a bet, got nothing on my phone so I would have to go in the bookies which nine times out of ten I can’t be arsed to do.
Not sure if this is still the case but there were two ladbrokes at the top of Catherine street/gypsy lane and I asked the girl in one of them why they had two so close together, she said you’re only allowed so many fruit machines per shop so they literally opened the second shop just for fruit machines. That should tell you all you need to know about how profitable they are.
As my dad says “you never see a bookie on a bike”.
 

Charnyst

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The gambling review should be opposed by everyone it’s a slippery slope One of the many problems the powers that be are lumping everything together fobts and 24 hour slots on phones which should have nothing to do with horse racing which can be profitable with form study and selective betting.
I would not fancy being young and all the temptations on the phone I’m sure I would have done my bollocks coming home pissed etc on the slots It doesn’t interest me wouldn’t have a go and has no skill you just playing against a machine which you cannot win .
It will be a happy day when 365 and Ray Winson get fucked off
There will be hopefully new exchanges come out to rival bet fair and we can bet against each other and get some proper odds .
Who would fancy showing bookies your bank account to prove how many bets you can have .Another comparison going into a pub and being told how many drinks you are allowed before you start the next thing they would try !
The bookies are not on track at the moment so the shop firms are settling the SPs which again is a slippery slope the sps are horrendous compared to the exchanges !
The Do Gooders are trying to take over something they know fuck all about by all means stop the slots 24 hour shit but they need to leave horse racing alone or it’s finished
 
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