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You've not looked where you should then, as i've seen so much evidence it can't be ignored and to say you've seen none is either a lie or you haven't looked. By repeating the same lie over and over doesn't ever make it the truth. Done !
I think you should have been on the phone to Trump's lawyers, as they couldn't seem to find any to show the courts in the 59 cases they went to. I think you should go to the press about it and show what you've uncovered. It could be bigger than Watergate.
 
A few on here keep mentioning massive voter fraud.

they mean of course claims of fraud, so far completely un substantiated.

maybe their claims will eventually backed up with some actual proof.

Bill Barr the outgoing AG said in public that no widespread fraud took place in the election.

The only people claiming fraud are Trump and Powell and their lackies.

In court 59 cases have been dismissed including 2 cases at the supreme court, theirs none so blind eh
My understanding is that there is substantial allegations of fraud backed up by hundreds (if not thousands) of sworn affidavits and video and physical evidence.

It is also my understanding that there has been little or no investigation of the 'evidence' by law enforcement and state officials in the courts or elsewhere. Most cases are simply dismissed, often because there is no corroborating evidence, which of course is quite true as no one has looked for it. The MSM barely reports this.

The Supreme Court has not looked at the evidence either, the dismissals were on procedural grounds.
 
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They've sold their country to the Communists for their own personal greed. It started a long time ago with Bush, Clinton, Barry etc, this is the last pieces of the jigsaw fitting into place.
all your doing here is highlighting how one sided your point of view is, there are of course pictures of GOP members taken with CCP members, but that doesn't fit the narrative that you are parroting.

you have to ask yourself why the media your posting isn't giving you a full picture, what's the agenda.

Left is bad / right is bad is all a crock.

people make choices, sometimes people on either side of the political spectrum make bad choices, to claim that one side or the other is inherently good/bad is completely bonkers.
 
My understanding is that there is substantial allegations of fraud backed up by hundreds (if not thousands) of sworn affidavits and video and physical evidence.

It is also my understanding that there has been little or no investigation of the 'evidence' by law enforcement and state officials in the courts or elsewhere. Most cases are simply dismissed, often because there is no corroborating evidence, which of course is quite true as no one has looked for it. The MSM barely reports this.

The Supreme Court has not looked at the evidence either, the dismissals were on procedural grounds.
Can you point us in the direction of actual proof of these 'substantial allegations'?
What have you seen that leads you to this conclusion?
If there are hundreds (if not thousands) of sworn affidavits and video and physical evidence then surely that is corroborating evidence that Trump's team can unearth and show to law enforcement and state officials in the courts or elsewhere.

Someone isn't doing a very good job on Trump's team if there's that much evidence.
 
It is sad to see really.

The MSM does dictate a narrative. That will always be the case, because there are human beings doing the work. They are fed stories by other human beings. There is going to be some bias creep in. In some newspapers, the owner is already completely biased and will side the stories to their will.

But there seems to be a growing group of people that distrust the MSM; but completely trust non-mainstream news outlets and individuals.

Even with outlandish claims and stories.

I'm sure this information source attracts people who also believe in (not all of these sort of things) the occult, mysticism, alternative histories, conspiracies on a grand scale etc.

Certainty in either MSM, or Alternative Media stories; is a sad situation.
 
My understanding is that there is substantial allegations of fraud backed up by hundreds (if not thousands) of sworn affidavits and video and physical evidence.

It is also my understanding that there has been little or no investigation of the 'evidence' by law enforcement and state officials in the courts or elsewhere. Most cases are simply dismissed, often because there is no corroborating evidence, which of course is quite true as no one has looked for it. The MSM barely reports this.

The Supreme Court has not looked at the evidence either, the dismissals were on procedural grounds.
Have you actually read any of these affidavits?

you know that you can, i have read some of them.

many of them were presented in court, before being dismissed.

i would recommend actually reading what happened in court rather than rely on second hand reports in the media.
 
You've not looked where you should then, as i've seen so much evidence it can't be ignored and to say you've seen none is either a lie or you haven't looked. By repeating the same lie over and over doesn't ever make it the truth. Done !

So far you keep repeating the same claim, but keep refusing to back it up with links to either the claims or any actual evidence.

I have looked at a lot of the claims and I've also followed the court cases and read the actual claims that were made in court.

just because i haven't come to the same conclusion as you doesn't make it a lie or mean i haven't looked.

are we to just take as a matter of faith that what you're claiming is correct?
 
It is sad to see really.

The MSM does dictate a narrative. That will always be the case, because there are human beings doing the work. They are fed stories by other human beings. There is going to be some bias creep in. In some newspapers, the owner is already completely biased and will side the stories to their will.

But there seems to be a growing group of people that distrust the MSM; but completely trust non-mainstream news outlets and individuals.

Even with outlandish claims and stories.

I'm sure this information source attracts people who also believe in (not all of these sort of things) the occult, mysticism, alternative histories, conspiracies on a grand scale etc.

Certainty in either MSM, or Alternative Media stories; is a sad situation.
No sixthswan, that is simply not true.

People like me, and there are a fair few of us, distrust all media outlets, that is true. Just because they are mainstream does not make them any more or less trustworthy than alternative sites.

I accept, and have done for many years, that privately owned newspapers have a bias, this is self evident. The owners have an agenda which I ignore by not buying their product, that is my choice.

Where I have an issue is (mostly) broadcast organisations present themselves as neutral news outlets when they are no such thing. Sadly some people, some quite intelligent people at that, are unable to see, what to some of us is quite obvious.

The constant peddling of left wing, pro eu, anti Trump propaganda has undoubtably worked on many people though for me the opposite is true, their obvious lies and predominantly (social) marxist rhetoric has lead me to distrust pretty much everything from outlets such as CNN, BBC and the rest of uk broadcast news.
 
Have you actually read any of these affidavits?

you know that you can, i have read some of them.

many of them were presented in court, before being dismissed.

i would recommend actually reading what happened in court rather than rely on second hand reports in the media.
Or perhaps watching some of the court procedures as I have done.
 
No credible evidence was allowed to be presented.
For the simple reason that none of the allegations were investigated by law inforcement or local justice departments.
 
The level of naivety by the Trumpets is quite sad. It’s not hard .He lost by a lot .He needs money as his 5th bankruptcy looms , he is likely to go to prison .He is desperate. He makes up nonsense. Some exceptionally gullible people believe him and send money.
Thank God the nightmare is nearly over for The USA . The damage will take some fixing . When you appoint totally inexperienced friends, yes men and family members to the most important offices of state it will never end well . ( See U.K. )
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No credible evidence was allowed to be presented.
For the simple reason that none of the allegations were investigated by law inforcement or local justice departments.
I'm confused.

is it evidence or allegation?

because the court would require evidence, they could have presented evidence in court, but they chose not too, what they did was present allegations that where not credible.

The court system requires the allegations and evidence to be first presented in written argument, if the case has merit then you can present the evidence in court.

as to your second point, you are wrong.

Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

So, if there where any evidence of fraud it could have shown in court, it wasn't, it could have been made public in an attempt to push for an investigation, but it wasn't.
 
For the simple reason that none of the allegations were investigated by law inforcement or local justice departments.

you keep saying this, but the AG is on record saying the opposite.

it seems the evidence is there, we keep being told it is there.

so why would they hand the election to dems if they had evidence?
or, why would they not investigate to find the evidence?
don't forget this is a GOP controlled DOJ.
 
No sixthswan, that is simply not true.

People like me, and there are a fair few of us, distrust all media outlets, that is true. Just because they are mainstream does not make them any more or less trustworthy than alternative sites.

I accept, and have done for many years, that privately owned newspapers have a bias, this is self evident. The owners have an agenda which I ignore by not buying their product, that is my choice.

Where I have an issue is (mostly) broadcast organisations present themselves as neutral news outlets when they are no such thing. Sadly some people, some quite intelligent people at that, are unable to see, what to some of us is quite obvious.

The constant peddling of left wing, pro eu, anti Trump propaganda has undoubtably worked on many people though for me the opposite is true, their obvious lies and predominantly (social) marxist rhetoric has lead me to distrust pretty much everything from outlets such as CNN, BBC and the rest of uk broadcast news.

I distrust both the MSM and alternative news sources. Think for yourself, but think clearly.

Perhaps I am wrong, but you strike me as believing in too much of the non-mainstream stuff.

Most of it is complete and utter bollocks.
 
MSM will always check sources and are held to account if reporting falsehoods
Editorial policy will be different and open to bias . C4 leans to left BBC to the right as they are terrified of The ERG tossers.
Problem with BBC their desperation to be balanced means they are attacked by the left for being too right and vice versa . Means they generally get it about right .
Social media is unregulated and unaccountable . At present it is very dangerous. Undoubtedly Trump is using it to undermine democracy and anti vaxers to undermine science . Ignore it .
Watch / Listen to MSM and recognise you have to use your brain to sift opinion from fact
 
I distrust both the MSM and alternative news sources. Think for yourself, but think clearly.

Perhaps I am wrong, but you strike me as believing in too much of the non-mainstream stuff.

Most of it is complete and utter bollocks.
Agree entirely sixthswan, most of what we, as ordinary folk, are being told is 'utter bollocks'.

I believe that 'the western democracies' are being systematically destroyed in the name of 'the great reset'.

These are horrible terms and do not really explain anything, they are just labels but the reality is there to see.

Great swathes of the worlds economies are being destroyed with the established western economies bearing the brunt of this assault. Everything is under attack but there is no obvious, immediate reason why.

Sure there are issues that need to be address but it appears that it has been decided to tackle them in a hugely destructive way and I fear what the endgame will bring.

I am looking some way into the future here but it is what I see coming. I know that I am considered a bit of a crackpot/paranoid but that's ok, I'm a well balanced person of an age that means I will not see the full effects of these issues in my lifetime. I can discuss them quite dispassionately, so I offer my views as an alternative to what is the usual mainstream view on here.
 
Biden won means Bidenwon get used to it as Brexiteers say.
Trump is a would dictator like his mate Putin you could see that when he started putting his family in high positions why do think Russia and China won't acknowledge the result?
 
Biden won means Bidenwon get used to it as Brexiteers say.
Trump is a would dictator like his mate Putin you could see that when he started putting his family in high positions why do think Russia and China won't acknowledge the result?
You think China haven’t ‘acknowledged the result’ ?
 
So why was there 'massive voter fraud' in states that trump lost but not that he won?
You would think that if the fraud was just because of mail in ballots it would be across all states that allow mail in ballots not just the ones he lost.
Also, on the same ballot paper i filled in, as well as the Presidents name there were senators to vote on, congressmen to vote on, the board of education, board of transport, board of parks and rec, and measures (laws voted on by the populace).
Why would fraudulent ballots only be against the President and not anything else on the same ballot?
 
Possibly because the only election fraud was attempted by the scumbag himself trying to hobble the postal service and intimidate election officials ? For which a few years will be added to his sentence hopefully .
 
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