Brexit party to be relaunched

hackneyfox said:
It's the rules that you have to show some kind of ID.
But please don't start posting 'facts' on here.
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Proof of right to work in the UK. Even as a person born in Melton Mowbray to British parents. All employers should ask for it by law.
 
"I really do not see why a no-deal Brexit would influence anyone morally or aspirationally, that kind of escapes me".

Really? The fact that someone may want to work abroad without having to go through bureaucratic hoops? That working abroad not only gives them a broader perspective in terms of their business or sector, but society & life in general? That they're able to learn from European counterparts & bring that knowledge & expertise back here, should they ever choose to return?

And before you say that can now all be achieved via Zoom calls, you know deep-down that's not the same thing.

The UK has contributed so much to the world, but let's not absurdly & ignorantly believe that we're not capable of learning, or that we don't need to learn from other countries, particularly those that are so close to us geographically.

To add, regarding trade itself let's not also make the mistake that other countries will simply rush to us & accept trade deals that benefit us more so. Perhaps not on this forum, but there are definitely pockets of people in this country under the impression that anywhere or anything foreign is backward & obstructive, when in fact they are at least our equals in many ways, & leaps & bounds ahead in others. When you look at the people within the govt representing us that have been handling Brexit over the last 4 years, it can be easy to think that.
 
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hackneyfox said:
Some?
Is there a way of entering Europe of the UK without a passport (legally)?
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Certainly quite easy at the Spanish end, getting on the aircraft in the UK, not so much.

However it does give the lie to the idea that European travel will be difficult for ordinary people, can't see it happening.
SardiniaFox said:
Proof of right to work in the UK. Even as a person born in Melton Mowbray to British parents. All employers should ask for it by law.
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Absolutely 👍
 
Mistryman said:
"I really do not see why a no-deal Brexit would influence anyone morally or aspirationally, that kind of escapes me".

Really? The fact that someone may want to work abroad without having to go through bureaucratic hoops? That working abroad not only gives them a broader perspective in terms of their business or sector, but society & life in general? That they're able to learn from European counterparts & bring that knowledge & expertise back here, should they ever choose to return?

And before you say that can now all be achieved via Zoom calls, you know deep-down that's not the same thing.

The UK has contributed so much to the world, but let's not absurdly & ignorantly believe that we're not capable of learning, or that we don't need to learn from other countries, particularly those that are so close to us geographically.
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MM we have an understanding problem.

I have never said that anyone in the uk should not live and work abroad, I would (and have) encouraged others to do so and I have done it myself in different circumstances, both during the EU and pre EU.

I cannot really remember any real differences in the bureaucracy bar one thing. To live and work in Germany (in the 70s) I needed a letter showing that I had a job and that my employer had a reason to employ someone from outside Germany.

As far as I can recall, that was it. I had no problem with having to do this, either idealistically or from a practical point of view.

In all these matters I think we are fundamentally in agreement, I may have some unusual views, but I am by no means a 'little englander'.
 
AFCDorset said:
MM we have an understanding problem.

I have never said that anyone in the uk should not live and work abroad, I would (and have) encouraged others to do so and I have done it myself in different circumstances, both during the EU and pre EU.

I cannot really remember any real differences in the bureaucracy bar one thing. To live and work in Germany (in the 70s) I needed a letter showing that I had a job and that my employer had a reason to employ someone from outside Germany.

As far as I can recall, that was it. I had no problem with having to do this, either idealistically or from a practical point of view.

In all these matters I think we are fundamentally in agreement, I may have some unusual views, but I am by no means a 'little englander'.
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And nor did I accuse you of this.
 
Mistryman said:
And nor did I accuse you of this.
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Fair enough, but you were replying to my post and I read it as meaning that you thought that, as a Brexit supporter, I didn't want anyone to experience living and working in another country. Perhaps I misunderstood, won't be the first time.

Nothing is further from the truth though.
 
Brauny said:
Your entitled to your opinion, but people are only gullible in your eyes because you dislike everything about Farage.
I could the same about BLM because they have a political agenda I don't support.
And before you jump on the bandwagon I am against all forms of blatant racism, and I mean all, because its not an exclusive club to one section of society.
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Wait, you mean you don't like the idea that fairness and equality should be applied to all people regardless of race?
 
MrTeabreak said:
Wait, you mean you don't like the idea that fairness and equality should be applied to all people regardless of race?
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Not addressed to me I know, but,

I absolutely do believe 'that fairness and equality should be applied to people regardless of race'.

Which is why I have absolutely no time for cultural marxism and it's mantra of intersectionalism.
 
Mistryman said:
I can't quite get my head round the fact that you see it as a 'magnificent effort', particularly in the context of a 'no deal' since Farage is not going to suffer any of the negatives that the rest of us will, pandemic or otherwise.

The irony of the man who stopped our 'freedom of movement', now relaunching his company (& it's a company, not a party regardless of what anyone thinks) because he thinks intra-Britain freedom of movement is limited by the lockdown measures, is not lost.
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all parties are companies you tit.
 
AFCDorset said:
Not addressed to me I know, but,

I absolutely do believe 'that fairness and equality should be applied to people regardless of race'.

Which is why I have absolutely no time for cultural marxism and it's mantra of intersectionalism.
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Let's make it simpler.
BLM is like the premier league with FFP.
The big 6 were already rich before FFP kicked in, and so it allows their lopsided financial advantage to be kept no matter how fair things are from now on and they will keep the hegemony because of it.
To say fairness should be applied to all and there should be a level playing field, but then not acknowledge that it isn't fair or level right now is why there is a BLM movement.

i've wandered a bit off topic, oops.
 
bnet said:
all parties are companies you tit.
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Man complains about EU being run by unelected bureaucrats. Man sets up party (company) to which he appoints himself leader, therefore unelected.

Disappointed you didn't ask me a totally unrelated question in your reply, or demand my e-mail address so you can send me a video.
 
MrTeabreak said:
Let's make it simpler.
BLM is like the premier league with FFP.
The big 6 were already rich before FFP kicked in, and so it allows their lopsided financial advantage to be kept no matter how fair things are from now on and they will keep the hegemony because of it.
To say fairness should be applied to all and there should be a level playing field, but then not acknowledge that it isn't fair or level right now is why there is a BLM movement.

i've wandered a bit off topic, oops.
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Sorry MrT. you are really not making any sense, try again.

Start with explaining why the phrase 'all lives matter' is such a problem.
 
Mistryman said:
Man complains about EU being run by unelected bureaucrats. Man sets up party (company) to which he appoints himself leader, therefore unelected.

Disappointed you didn't ask me a totally unrelated question in your reply, or demand my e-mail address so you can send me a video.
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Boring cunt
 
Brauny said:
Your entitled to your opinion, but people are only gullible in your eyes because you dislike everything about Farage.
I could the same about BLM because they have a political agenda I don't support.
And before you jump on the bandwagon I am against all forms of blatant racism, and I mean all, because its not an exclusive club to one section of society.
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Oh it fucking well is an exclusive club. One section of society have cornered the market in racism, there's money to be made and land to grab.
 
Mistryman said:
Man complains about EU being run by unelected bureaucrats. Man sets up party (company) to which he appoints himself leader, therefore unelected.

Disappointed you didn't ask me a totally unrelated question in your reply, or demand my e-mail address so you can send me a video.
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What the fuck are you talking about you bitter Boring half wit.
 
Richardvanles said:
Oh it fucking well is an exclusive club. One section of society have cornered the market in racism, there's money to be made and land to grab.
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Different context to my post, but feel free to express your angst, I am sure the world would like to know who your beef is with
 
Unfortunately for Brexiteers Biden is of Irish extraction and considers the Irish peace accord as sacrosanct,he also likes the EU and will refuse to give the UK special terms which is why Farage has had his head up Trump's arse the last week or so.
 
Maybe he should rename it the "Spiv Party" just to rub it in?
 
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