Morning BF.I keep seeing this claim about the immune system, what do you mean?
I remain convinced by what leading epidemiologists are saying . This is stil a very serious and potential existential threat to us .It is not the choice that is the issue here Daz.
It is the coercion being exerted by the authorities and the sanctimonious that is the issue. That is disgraceful.
Despite an almost complete blackout and denial in recent months, stories are beginning to emerge about pretty serious side effects from the vaccine. These are short term effects that we are hearing about, no one knows what the longer term effects of messing with the human immune system will be.
By “non establishment” you mean unqualified . unverifiable folks on youtube like Bnets favourite Dolores ?Morning BF.
I am not a virologist so this is a simple explanation in layman's English.
The mRNA vaccine alters the immune system response to make it more effective against the current coronavirus.
Some non establishment experts believe that there is a serious possibility that these changes will make us more susceptible to the next 'novel' coronavirus. This can not be verified one way or another because it has not yet happened.
So are you claiming that the mRNA vaccines fundamentally change the immune system rather than just triggering a response that builds immunity?Morning BF.
I am not a virologist so this is a simple explanation in layman's English.
The mRNA vaccine alters the immune system response to make it more effective against the current coronavirus.
Some non establishment experts believe that there is a serious possibility that these changes will make us more susceptible to the next 'novel' coronavirus. This can not be verified one way or another because it has not yet happened.
Isn't that the problem with most vaccines? you never know of the long term effectsIt is not the choice that is the issue here Daz.
It is the coercion being exerted by the authorities and the sanctimonious that is the issue. That is disgraceful.
Despite an almost complete blackout and denial in recent months, stories are beginning to emerge about pretty serious side effects from the vaccine. These are short term effects that we are hearing about, no one knows what the longer term effects of messing with the human immune system will be.
I am not qualified to claim anything.So are you claiming that the mRNA vaccines fundamentally change the immune system rather than just triggering a response that builds immunity?
Which is why vaccine trials usually take several years, so you at least have some idea of the possible threat.Isn't that the problem with most vaccines? you never know of the long term effects
But there's no way we can wait for several years with this one as that would mean lockdown for yearsI am not qualified to claim anything.
The mechanism of how a vaccine works is way above my understanding. Some people with a greater understanding think that this might be a problem, ie when faced with a new/novel virus the triggered response might be counterproductive, even dangerous.
Which is why vaccine trials usually take several years, so you at least have some idea of the possible threat.
It is also said that the current vaccines cause changes that can not be stopped or reversed, I find that troubling too.
That is what the government and medical establishment want you to believe.But there's no way we can wait for several years with this one as that would mean lockdown for years
See BrazilThat is what the government and medical establishment want you to believe.
There is no need to lock up healthy people, that is just absurd. We have lived through similar viruses before without the need for lockdown which has disrupted the cycle and made things worse.
But isn't it a case of protecting other people rather than yourself?That is what the government and medical establishment want you to believe.
There is no need to lock up healthy people, that is just absurd. We have lived through similar viruses before without the need for lockdown which has disrupted the cycle and made things worse.
OK, so you're just repeating claims (opinions) made by others.I am not qualified to claim anything.
The mechanism of how a vaccine works is way above my understanding. Some people with a greater understanding think that this might be a problem, ie when faced with a new/novel virus the triggered response might be counterproductive, even dangerous.
Which is why vaccine trials usually take several years, so you at least have some idea of the possible threat.
It is also said that the current vaccines cause changes that can not be stopped or reversed, I find that troubling too.
I'm very much in a 'freewheeling' mode today, 'shooting from the lip' so to say.OK, so you're just repeating claims (opinions) made by others.
Out of interest have you ever had the seasonal flu jab?
It is also said that the current vaccines cause changes that can not be stopped or reversed, I find that troubling too.
Daz, where is the evidence that getting the jab protects others?But isn't it a case of protecting other people rather than yourself?
Public Health medicine is all about the numbers, assessing the risks.Death is fairly irreversible as well
Do you mean the Pfizer vaccine? The Oxford one isn't mRNA its made using the same tech as the normal seasonal flu jab, which only goes through a 4 week approval process.Basically this vaccine has never been given to Humans before, it works by sending a prescription to your DNA so that it can make a reaction to attack a part of the covid virus. ( unlike a normal vaccine than contains a weak portion of a virus so your body builds up antibodies ) Most Vaccines have years of tests this one has only been brought in under emergency rules. I prefer to let time test the vaccine, my own immune system has done a good job up to know.
Good that they are taking time to investigate and look properly at the data . Peope have to be able to properly assess the risks .The US FDA have just called a halt to the Johnson and Johnson vaccine due to cases of blood clotting.
A prescription? Really?it works by sending a prescription to your DNA
Do you mean the one banned by several EU countries and being taken out of use here?Do you mean the Pfizer vaccine? The Oxford one isn't mRNA its made using the same tech as the normal seasonal flu jab, which only goes through a 4 week approval process
recipe, prescription call it what you like. yes reallyA prescription? Really?
No, not really. It provides the genetic code for the body to produce viral proteins. The body produces an immune response to the protein, enabling the person to develop immunity. It doesn't alter your DNA.recipe, prescription call it what you like. yes really
Where did I say it alters your DNA? It give the recipe to your DNA to make the response to the virusNo, not really. It provides the genetic code for the body to produce viral proteins. The body produces an immune response to the protein, enabling the person to develop immunity. It doesn't alter your DNA.
who said the were?DNA and the Immune System, are not the same thing.