Vaccinations
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AFCDorset
Roofer
It is not the choice that is the issue here Daz.
It is the coercion being exerted by the authorities and the sanctimonious that is the issue. That is disgraceful.
Despite an almost complete blackout and denial in recent months, stories are beginning to emerge about pretty serious side effects from the vaccine. These are short term effects that we are hearing about, no one knows what the longer term effects of messing with the human immune system will be.
It is the coercion being exerted by the authorities and the sanctimonious that is the issue. That is disgraceful.
Despite an almost complete blackout and denial in recent months, stories are beginning to emerge about pretty serious side effects from the vaccine. These are short term effects that we are hearing about, no one knows what the longer term effects of messing with the human immune system will be.
AFCDorset
Roofer
Morning BF.
I am not a virologist so this is a simple explanation in layman's English.
The mRNA vaccine alters the immune system response to make it more effective against the current coronavirus.
Some non establishment experts believe that there is a serious possibility that these changes will make us more susceptible to the next 'novel' coronavirus. This can not be verified one way or another because it has not yet happened.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
I remain convinced by what leading epidemiologists are saying . This is stil a very serious and potential existential threat to us .
The more people vaccinated the quicker we can lift social restrictions- and yes - I do want to go to the football and travel again . Sorry if that’s unreasonable .
The more people vaccinated the less chance of another wave this summer which could kill another 20-30000 in The U.K.
The more people vaccinated the more the virus is suppressed - the less chance of a variant taking hold which could push us back 12 months
This is not a point scoring exercise but for me it boils down to 2 key points -
1. the published data is clear that the risks of becoming seriously ill or dying are thousands times greater taking the jab than not getting vaccinated
2. The way for our country to get back to normal as quickly as. possible is if as many are vaccinated as we can get .
Just look at the horrors in Brazil .Bolsenaro scoffed at wearing masks . didn’t lockdown , underplayed it as some on here do . They are burying thousands a day in mass graves with no funerals . Now seeing as many 30-40 year olds in ICU as older folk . To say that can’t happen here- and soon - is putting our heads in the sand .
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Foxgolfer
Guest
By “non establishment” you mean unqualified . unverifiable folks on youtube like Bnets favourite Dolores ?
So are you claiming that the mRNA vaccines fundamentally change the immune system rather than just triggering a response that builds immunity?
Isn't that the problem with most vaccines? you never know of the long term effects
AFCDorset
Roofer
I am not qualified to claim anything.
The mechanism of how a vaccine works is way above my understanding. Some people with a greater understanding think that this might be a problem, ie when faced with a new/novel virus the triggered response might be counterproductive, even dangerous.
Which is why vaccine trials usually take several years, so you at least have some idea of the possible threat.
It is also said that the current vaccines cause changes that can not be stopped or reversed, I find that troubling too.
But there's no way we can wait for several years with this one as that would mean lockdown for years
AFCDorset
Roofer
That is what the government and medical establishment want you to believe.
There is no need to lock up healthy people, that is just absurd. We have lived through similar viruses before without the need for lockdown which has disrupted the cycle and made things worse.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
See Brazil
But isn't it a case of protecting other people rather than yourself?
OK, so you're just repeating claims (opinions) made by others.
Out of interest have you ever had the seasonal flu jab?
AFCDorset
Roofer
I'm very much in a 'freewheeling' mode today, 'shooting from the lip' so to say.
To answer your question. I had the flu jab several times in the early days. It seemed the thing to do. Then I stopped, primarily, because I was living overseas. I noted no difference to my health patterns.
I am normally 'quite robust' in everyday health matters, rarely getting severe colds or anything flu like, so I stopped about 10 years ago. I take vitamins C and D and pink on a regular basis, this was recommended to me by one of my oncology team during my recovery from my cancer treatment.
Running Fox
Roofer
Basically this vaccine has never been given to Humans before, it works by sending a prescription to your DNA so that it can make a reaction to attack a part of the covid virus. ( unlike a normal vaccine than contains a weak portion of a virus so your body builds up antibodies ) Most Vaccines have years of tests this one has only been brought in under emergency rules. I prefer to let time test the vaccine, my own immune system has done a good job up to know.
Glimmer
Roofer
Death is fairly irreversible as well
Richardvanles
Roofer
Daz, where is the evidence that getting the jab protects others?
I’ve asked this specifically and no one can give me an answer. Use your own common sense.
1.Getting the jab doesn’t stop you from getting covid.
2.Getting the jab doesn’t stop you passing covid on.
3. Claims are that you won’t get severe symptoms when you get the jab.
4. By getting the jab you’re not saving anyone only yourself.
Use basic logic.
There’s only one argument for getting the jab and that’s to stop the NHS getting overrun. Personally I think that won’t happen. I believe the next NHS issue will be people dying of cancer etc who were untreated over the past 18 months (watch this space coz it will hit the headlines soon)
Ultimately it’s your choice.
AFCDorset
Roofer
Public Health medicine is all about the numbers, assessing the risks.
For example, some people have a very robust immune system, some do not. Some will fight off a medium level infection while some will not, some will react adversely to the vaccine, some, perhaps most will not. It is a statistical analysis.
I am very much concerned about this, I rarely get colds or flu type illnesses, this as been the case as long as I can remember. Since early 2018 I have regularly taken vitamins and zinc as a boost to my depleted system, barely had as much as a sniffle.
If I thought that there would be no longterm effects I would try and balance the risks of the vaccine against the risks of covid, it might be a close call but right now, the unknown long term effects make it a no for me.
Richardvanles
Roofer
The US FDA have just called a halt to the Johnson and Johnson vaccine due to cases of blood clotting.
Do you mean the Pfizer vaccine? The Oxford one isn't mRNA its made using the same tech as the normal seasonal flu jab, which only goes through a 4 week approval process.
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Foxgolfer
Guest
Good that they are taking time to investigate and look properly at the data . Peope have to be able to properly assess the risks .
I agree with that . If it means a week or month or two delay in opening things up so be it .
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
A prescription? Really?
Running Fox
Roofer
Do you mean the one banned by several EU countries and being taken out of use here?
Running Fox
Roofer
recipe, prescription call it what you like. yes really
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
No, not really. It provides the genetic code for the body to produce viral proteins. The body produces an immune response to the protein, enabling the person to develop immunity. It doesn't alter your DNA.
Running Fox
Roofer
Where did I say it alters your DNA? It give the recipe to your DNA to make the response to the virus
Running Fox
Roofer
who said the were?