MrTeabreak
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thank you for the music brexiters
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Richardvanles
Roofer
If only half of that is true then music lovers who voted to leave really need to take a long hard look in the mirror and call themselves a prick.
hackneyfox
Roofer
Have/are we leaving the mobile phone roaming agreement?
jackieguaccamo
Flat Earther
How did bands tour before the EU?
Richardvanles
Roofer
No idea. I thought that, maybe different rules back then. But it would be interesting to find out how true this is and if it is true it's one big shit show regardless on how you voted
hackneyfox
Roofer
?Give me strength!
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Foxgolfer
Guest
Brexit was always going to be catastrophic . The Cummings / Johnson alliance was built on lies and foundations built on such sand are crumbling . We’re out . It’s over . Now we accept the consequences which for 99% means getting poorer .
For me , relatively unaffected financially , it’s the deliberate destruction of our world wide influence and reputation which is most galling.
For me , relatively unaffected financially , it’s the deliberate destruction of our world wide influence and reputation which is most galling.
astleyfox
Roofer
Bollox. Bands always tored, and always will. Stop wetting yourself.
Yeah, even in the face of the evidence, logistics & challenges mentioned in that tweet, this kind of response seems to be stock.
astleyfox
Roofer
Seriously, do you think bands will stop playing?Given that they make nothing from recorded music anymore. Do you seriously think that its the end for live music???
Richardvanles
Roofer
Maybe stop touring Europe. I know a few musicians who do a few gigs in Europe. Ok, Canary Islands but if they had to pay out the sort of money and jump through hoops in the tweets they wouldn't be able to.
Of course successful artists will carry on, just that the costs will be passed on to the punters. But breakthrough bands etc will be stuffed.
That's if what's being tweeted is true of course.
Just because you voted to leave don't just dismiss everything as bullshit same as the remainers shouldn't just take all the negatives reported as gospel.
Depends on who you listen to.
If it's some enormo-dome playing band that can justify charging stupid prices that people are happy to pay, then yes, some will carry on. Old farts like Daltrey really have forgotten what it's like to be starting off in the music industry.
As you've helpfully pointed out, not many make much from recorded music any more, making the situation even more precarious.
But if it's some band on the first rung of the ladder, then probably not. But then their fallback position can always be the re-training into another career as this govt sees as a 'solution'.
It would be a huge shame if we lost a generation of musicians to what's happened this year - if it's one thing this country absolutely excels at, it's music.
MrTeabreak
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The point here is that the extra costs make it unfeasable for a lot of middle to lower circuit bands to tour europe. they can't play UK venues three times a year to make it up. A lot of bands i've seen said they cannot afford to tour europe if this goes ahead as is.
Filbo65
Thatched roofer
Well, the scare-mongering was that we definitely would. So my money is on the opposite.
The amazing thing was that it took the EU about 30 years to introduce it. I lugged a second phone around with me for over ten years in my exporting days...
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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Well obviously we're out of having to do it as part of the EU so it's now up to the mobile phone operators to negotiate with the operators in the European countries. Given that the large operators already offer free roaming in the US and other countries the chances are they will still be the same in Europe.
AFCDorset
Roofer
I organised / worked on tours all over Europe in the late 70s early 80s. The regulations were different, everything from work permits to temporary export documents (ATA Carnets). It just got done, it was the cost of doing business.
In and out of Berlin could be fun, border guards with AKs, barely literate roadies filling out immigration forms, handing out the merch, T shirts for guards, bombers for the officers, the whole 9 yards.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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This is a heartening statistic
Today the Asian Pacific became the biggest free tade area in the world, the EU is fast becoming irrelevant, time to look up not down at an organisation that has failed in everything it's tried to do with our money.
This £200 billion is peanuts compared to the cost of keeping 4 million low skilled EU citizens and the millions of illegal immigrants the french have allowed to get over the channel.
Britain has contributed nearly half a trillion pounds to the European Union budget since it joined in 1973 and will have to pay a further £100 billion in the next five years of which we were given 15% back to be spent on projects the EU decided we needed, most of it filled the pockets of pro EU civil servants and political riff raff or was wasted on schemes that produced zero wealth to the majority .
This £200 billion is peanuts compared to the cost of keeping 4 million low skilled EU citizens and the millions of illegal immigrants the french have allowed to get over the channel.
Britain has contributed nearly half a trillion pounds to the European Union budget since it joined in 1973 and will have to pay a further £100 billion in the next five years of which we were given 15% back to be spent on projects the EU decided we needed, most of it filled the pockets of pro EU civil servants and political riff raff or was wasted on schemes that produced zero wealth to the majority .
Richardvanles
Roofer
The Asian Pacific is full of untrustworthy pieces of shit, counterfeit goods and scams.
Imagine trading with people like Barell day in day out. He'd have the watch off your arm and rings off your fingers quicker than you can sing.
A diddle liddle liddle liddle liddle um.
Imagine trading with people like Barell day in day out. He'd have the watch off your arm and rings off your fingers quicker than you can sing.
A diddle liddle liddle liddle liddle um.
Today the Asian Pacific became the biggest free tade area in the world, the EU is fast becoming irrelevant, time to look up not down at an organisation that has failed in everything it's tried to do with our money.
This £200 billion is peanuts compared to the cost of keeping 4 million low skilled EU citizens and the millions of illegal immigrants the french have allowed to get over the channel.
Britain has contributed nearly half a trillion pounds to the European Union budget since it joined in 1973 and will have to pay a further £100 billion in the next five years of which we were given 15% back to be spent on projects the EU decided we needed, most of it filled the pockets of pro EU civil servants and political riff raff or was wasted on schemes that produced zero wealth to the majority
This £200 billion is peanuts compared to the cost of keeping 4 million low skilled EU citizens and the millions of illegal immigrants the french have allowed to get over the channel.
Britain has contributed nearly half a trillion pounds to the European Union budget since it joined in 1973 and will have to pay a further £100 billion in the next five years of which we were given 15% back to be spent on projects the EU decided we needed, most of it filled the pockets of pro EU civil servants and political riff raff or was wasted on schemes that produced zero wealth to the majority
Richardvanles
Roofer
The Asian Pacific is full of untrustworthy pieces of shit, counterfeit goods and scams.
Imagine trading with people like Barell day in day out. He'd have the watch off your arm and rings off your fingers quicker than you can sing.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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You're just making stuff up. Even low skilled workers will make a positive contribution.
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- The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero."
The Asian Pacific produces most of the goods we buy in the UK and China exports far more to the EU than us.
The average EU citizen in the UK has to claim benefits to live here like the 400,000 Roma who have never worked either here or in their own countries .
Quoting make up figures from some computer modeling by some Oxford think tank funded by the EU who never included in work benefits or those that have never been employed is bull, explain how people live in London on a minimum wage and pay their way or any of the major cities without benefits.
It's easy to con you EU idiots because you live in your own world .
The average EU citizen in the UK has to claim benefits to live here like the 400,000 Roma who have never worked either here or in their own countries .
Quoting make up figures from some computer modeling by some Oxford think tank funded by the EU who never included in work benefits or those that have never been employed is bull, explain how people live in London on a minimum wage and pay their way or any of the major cities without benefits.
It's easy to con you EU idiots because you live in your own world .
Asia Pacific nations including Thailand, China, Japan and South Korea on Sunday signed the world’s largest regional free-trade agreement, encompassing nearly a third of the world’s population and gross domestic product.
Top officials from 15 nations that also include Australia, New Zealand and the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations inked the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, or RCEP -- nearly a decade in the making -- on the final day of the 37th Asean Summit hosted virtually by Vietnam.
Top officials from 15 nations that also include Australia, New Zealand and the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations inked the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, or RCEP -- nearly a decade in the making -- on the final day of the 37th Asean Summit hosted virtually by Vietnam.
Richardvanles
Roofer
You missed off a few Nigerian princes and a lawyer acting on behalf Binium Tekles estate
astleyfox
Roofer
The average low skilled British worker will find it more difficult to get a crumby temporary job, and his wages will remain crap. Fact. Seen it with my own eyes.
Richardvanles
Roofer
Sorry Astley, you're blaming the wrong people.
Blame the generation before you. The ones that took the "unions are too powerful" bait and need smashing. They took it hook line and sinker.
Unions smashed for the good of the country. Anti trade union laws so working folk couldn't organise and rise up against injustice. Resulting in lower wages for many.
Extended working hours and unsociable working hours with little or no reward.
Ironically the Brexiteers who moan about low pay and shitty working conditions need to realise that it's the EU who have laws in place to give workers some protection, nowhere near enough but some. A lot of these protections will be removed once we're out out.
Working class turkeys voting for Christmas, not once but twice. It's not just stupid it's stupid the sequel.